Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Latvian submissions for the Academy Award for Best International Feature Film/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 25 January 2021 (UTC).

List of Latvian submissions for the Academy Award for Best International Feature Film

 * Nominator(s):  Gerald WL  17:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

A short, dynamic list of [self-explanatory]. Latvia has submitted 12 films: eleven are not nominated whilst Dvēseļu putenis is pending as of time of writing. 7 similar articles of different countries are FLs, seeable at WP:FL. I took some stuff from those articles, and modified it. Notifying other major contributor,.  Gerald WL  17:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

If this candidate gets promoted before or during early February, I plan to have this submitted as TFL, to be displayed on Feb 9, or other Februaries.  Gerald WL  09:24, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:22, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

{{hidden/FC|headerstyle=background:#00ff6b;|contentstyle=border:1px #00ff6b solid; padding:10px;|header=Resolved comments from  ~  HAL  333  20:02, 10 January 2021 (UTC) |content=;Comments That's everything that I noticed. ~ HAL  333  23:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you place scope on the column "Film title used in nomination"?
 * I don't really understand. Can you clarify what a scope on the column is? New to this. I'll do them later on.
 * No worries - it isn't necessary. I tried doing it myself, but it wasn't working for some reason... Chris or TRM may be able to help you. ~ HAL  333  19:29, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I did the first row, just copy that formatting -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:26, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * {{u|ChrisTheDude}}, is it now good?  Gerald WL  03:54, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The "External commentaries" notes seem to be a little too specific for the scope of this article.
 * I think to note the response of the creators of the film is noteworthy and doesn't deviate. I do find the second excom a bit sketchy; if you feel strongly I can remove it.
 * Why is the "Submission reasoning" note only given for certain films? If you wanted to, you could add a notes column to the table for any exceptional information related to the submission.
 * Because those are the only ones sources cover. If you have sources for the other reasonings I'd love to see it.
 * The {{tq|award category's comitee}} --> "selection committee" per the source.
 * Done.
 * There is a bit of overlink with "chairperson," "panel," and "state secretary."
 * Delinked.
 * You should link Minister of Culture to List of Ministers of Culture of Latvia.
 * Done. Thanks for spotting that article!
 * {{u|HAL333}}, I've done most comments, feel free to review them. Clarified or questioned some comments.  Gerald WL  05:24, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * {{u|HAL333}}, can you confirm if you support or oppose this nomination?  Gerald WL  04:27, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Second round of comments
Nice job rehauling the lede - it looks much better know. ~ HAL  333  19:29, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It might look neater if you move the references in the table to a "Ref." column in the far right.
 * Done.
 * Sometime you place the quotation marks before the punctuation and sometimes after it.
 * I comply with WP:LQ. If the punct is not from the source, it is put after, whilst those available in the source is placed before. Do I misinterpret it?  Gerald WL  03:54, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you place the year in parentheses after the film titles in the lede caption?
 * Done.
 * , thanks! Feel free to review my changes.


 * You accidentally called the name column "Year (Ceremony)". ~ HAL  333  21:35, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , fixed it. Any more comments?  Gerald WL  06:17, 8 January 2021 (UTC)}}
 * Support ~ HAL  333  20:02, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

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Comments from The Rambling Man

 * [nb 1] should be cited.
 * Done.


 * Could link Latvian independence, maybe On the Restoration of Independence of the Republic of Latvia or similar.
 * Currently on discussion, see the ChrisTheDude subsection in this page.


 * " the 1956 (29th) Academy Awards" I would pick one or the other (1956 or 29th) but not both.
 * I prefer having the year and the award number at the same time.
 * It's unnecessary. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 15:01, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , Why? I think it's worth noting the year it started at, and the ceremony number.
 * Either one or the other is required, not both, it's nugatory. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 09:44, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , resolved.  Gerald WL  12:40, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "for a chance at the" you already wrote "for consideration" so this is not required.
 * Removed.


 * "the 80th," 80th Awards etc.
 * Done.


 * "Latvia has entered the competition twelve times" perhaps better to say "has made twelve submissions to the category" or similar.
 * Done.


 * "2020 (93rd) submission" -> "entry for the 2020 Awards..."
 * See my response to point 3.


 * Second and third para seem to be wrong way round. I would explain the mechanics of the selection before going on to describe the nominations.
 * I switched it, if that's what you meant.


 * I really find the [wikidata] links jarring, and don't really think they're useful to our readers. Essentially Wikidata just contains a bunch of metadata fields which is not really what our readers want to read.  Is there no article on the Latvian Wikipedia which could be linked using the ill template?
 * That's a textual copy of the interlanguage links template, which features a Wikidata parameter, so I don't see the problem. I use a text version and not the template itself because it generates a redlink, and I'd like to prevent as much redlinks as possible.
 * Wikidata offers nothing to the reader. Redlinks are just fine.  The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 15:01, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Wikidata does have information, like Wikipedia, just in a shorter, limited, and abstract fashion. Better than nothing. Template:Ill and Template:Wikidata fallback link has given use of WD-linking, and no thoughts on vagueness were shown. There's important info in those metadatas, so I don't think we need to remove it.  Gerald WL  07:58, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikidata is a list of unreferenced metadata. It is not useful. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 09:44, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I've removed them.  Gerald WL  12:40, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Minister of culture has been Nauris Puntulis since midway through last year...
 * Clarified-- she's the state secretary.


 * Use the ill template for the Latvian Academy of Culture.
 * See above as to why I used a text version instead of the template.
 * Red links are permitted, even encouraged. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 12:48, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "They would hold" Perhaps something like "Prior to 2020, a meeting was held.. etc." and then describe the unusual circumstances of 2020.
 * That would rot eventually, as it implies that it was held directly only prior to 2020. After the pandemic ends, it would return back to normal. So I'd rather keep the current.


 * Table needs row and col scopes per MOS:DTT.
 * Will do this later; I'll have to soon call this a day. Done.


 * Laila Pakalniņa appears to be missing a diacritic.
 * Done.

That's all I have on a quick first pass. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 14:36, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I've addressed your concerns. Feel free to read responses in which I did not do as suggested.  Gerald WL  14:56, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , can you confirm support or oppose to this nom?  Gerald WL  04:27, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I did the last changes. Can you confirm your stance on this?  Gerald WL  08:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll take another look soon, but in the meantime, the ref column shouldn't be sortable. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 12:53, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Done.  Gerald WL  07:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

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 * Thank you. I took a good look at this list yesterday, and that was the only thing that bothered me. Everything else looks good, per the suggestions from the other users, above. I'd def. support this for a FL. Thanks again.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:20, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , thanks! I've collapsed your comments, if you're fine with that.

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Question to coordinators
pardon my impatience, but how exactly is it determined that there is a consensus for a candidate to be promoted? I think all points above have been addressed so I feel like there is a "consensus" that this article is already ready. It's so weird to see a page going silent for days, so I'm just wondering.  Gerald WL  12:44, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Candidates can easily run for three or four weeks and often much longer. I haven't seen a source review.  There's no deadline. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 12:47, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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Source review –
 * Forbes contributor pieces, such as ref 1, are treated as blogs and aren't usually considered reliable sources. Unless this appeared in the print version of Forbes, I think we're going to need a better source for that note, which fortunately seems like something you could find pretty easily.
 * I changed it to an Academy press release, if they are considered reliable. I took it from the Vietnam article, which is a fresh FL, so I don't think there's any problem.  Gerald WL  04:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * What makes Emerging Europe (ref 6) a reliable source?
 * They are a business-themed news website quoted by various reliable sources like Forbes, The Guardian, Bloomberg, and WSJ, alongside several researchers.  Gerald WL  04:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The formatting looks okay, although I'll note that several of the refs have Wikidata links for their publishers, which I haven't seen before. Not really a huge problem for me, but if Wikipedia articles on those entities are ever created it might make sense to change the links.
 * Sadly none of them have an article. I'll see if I can make an article on the National Film Center, but I don't have the time to for now.  Gerald WL  04:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Update: Turns out Cineuropa has ill-s. I've changed them.  Gerald WL  04:30, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The link-checker tool shows no problems, and the links have archives, which is always nice. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 00:26, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , thanks! I've responded to your points.  Gerald WL  04:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , what do you think? Does it pass the source review?  Gerald WL  08:53, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * My comments have all been addressed adequately. Fix Alexandra's source-related comment below and I'll consider it a pass from my perspective. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , resolved them.  Gerald WL  03:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * In that case, I'd say that my source review is done. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 02:07, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , so it's a pass?  Gerald WL  04:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 02:02, 24 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Support--AlexandraIDV 12:58, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Giants2008 ( Talk ) 23:17, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
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