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The list was promoted by Giants2008 02:14, 11 August 2015.

List of Local Nature Reserves in Hertfordshire

 * Nominator(s): Dudley Miles (talk) 18:51, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

This list follows a similar format to List of Local Nature Reserves in Greater London, which previously passed FLC, and I have had great pleasure in visiting and photographing the Hertfordshire sites. I hope that this list will also meet the requirements. Dudley Miles (talk) 18:51, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Support – well up to the customary level of excellence we expect from this source. Meets all the FL criteria, in my view. Just two minor queries:
 * Lead – To avoid ambiguity I'd make it clear that "The oldest LNR listed by Natural England" means, as I assume it does, the oldest in Herts rather than the oldest in England. (Contrariwise, if it does mean England, that should be made clear.)
 * Added Hertfordshire Dudley Miles (talk) 21:16, 30 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Danesbury Park – "Grassland areas, which are managed by rare-breed cattle": a rather unexpected phrase. One has visions of cows with clipboards and mobile phones.
 * Changed to grazed - although a cow pawing a clipboard with complaints about the poor quality grass is a wonderful image. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:16, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

This is a lovely article, beautifully illustrated and deftly, economically written. Splendid stuff! –  Tim riley  talk    19:37, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tim. Very helpful as always. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:16, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Comments - a good looking list as ever. Just one or two comments/questions:
 * Lead - should Local Nature Reserve be capitalised. I'm never quite sure whether these sorts of designations (eg Scheduled monument, Listed building etc) are proper names and therefore should be or not, however the wp article Local nature reserve suggests that it shouldn't.
 * This is complicated. My own view is that official designations and titles should be capitalised. They are normally (not always) in the sources. Some editors dislike capitalisation and go round removing it. The result is a mess - Prime minister and Secretary of State, Site of Special Scientific Interest and Local nature reserve. In the case of LNR, it was not originally capitalised. I got it capitalised by consensus, but then an editor unilaterally changed it back. Another editor proposed a move back, but this was rejected on the ground of lack of consensus. I could have disputed this on the ground that the original consensus should stand, not an editor's unilateral change, but I could not be bothered to pursue it further.
 * I did say I am never sure and have had similar debates.&mdash; Rod talk 19:32, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


 * (Pedant alert) "As of July 2015, forty-two LNRs in Hertfordshire have been notified to Natural England" are they notified by the county council or the districts? Are any of the districts unitary in which case it will definitely be part of their functions.
 * There are no unitary districts in Hertfordshire. LNRs can be designated by county councils and districts, and by town and parish councils if the district has given them the power. In practice they are designated by all levels. Do you think I should explain this? I assumed it is a technical details people would not be interested in.
 * You are right it is probably only me that would ask such a question.&mdash; Rod talk 19:32, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Could/should "chalk grassland" be wikilinked to Calcareous grassland?
 * Done.


 * In the first para an area of square miles is converted to square kilometers, however later we have areas in hectares not converted to anything (although in the table they are).
 * All done now.


 * Table seems well laid out and sorts appropriately:
 * Weston Hills has a reference in the area column - the others don't
 * There is no map or area for Weston Hills on the NE list. I have expanded the note to clarify. (When I started on the article, Weston Hills was missing from the NE list. An editor posted on the Talk page pointing this out, and I emailed the council, who said that they would ask NE to add it to the list. This has now been done, but not yet the map and area.)


 * Would it be worth adding a column saying which of the districts each site is in (as shown in the navbox at the bottom), possibly in the location column?. If I'm only interested in those sites in the Three Rivers district for instance, I can't sort the table to achieve this.
 * Done.


 * Stockers Lake redirects to Stocker's Lake - should the apostrophe be there or not?
 * I am not sure how to deal with this. My usual policy is to go by NE's spelling unless there is an obvious typo. In this case NE has no apostrophe, but the Herts and Middlesex Wildlife Trust and the Friends of Stocker's Lake have one.
 * I think there is benefit in having consistency between the list and the articles it point to so I would add it as our wp article has one in the article title. I would welcome the comments of others on this.&mdash; Rod talk 19:32, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


 * There is only one which doesn't have public access (Hilfield Park Reservoir) therefore I'm not sure how useful that column is - it could be removed and a note added or explanation given in the description column to explain this.
 * Done.


 * Not part of the FLC process but why do the relevant wikiprojects already have it as FL in the banners on the talk page (seem to have been added here presumably when the project banners were copied from another page)?
 * Yes my cockup not noticing the FL when I copied the project banners. FL now removed.


 * Hope these comments are useful.&mdash; Rod talk 11:55, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much Rod. Please advise if you are happy now. Dudley Miles (talk) 18:22, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I agree the first two comments are probably "unresolvable" but would like to see the apostrophe in Stocker's Lane.&mdash; Rod talk 19:32, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Apostrophe added. Dudley Miles (talk) 19:52, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Support Thanks, I now think this meets the criteria.&mdash; Rod talk 20:21, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Support and images review - I've checked each image on Commons. All are high-quality, many taken by the nominator himself, and are freely licensed appropriately. Nice job, indeed. — Maile (talk) 20:27, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much to Rod and Maile. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:30, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


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