Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Memphis Tigers head football coaches/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was archived by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 31 May 2021 (UTC).

List of Memphis Tigers head football coaches

 * Nominator(s): PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 07:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I have created the article, it is comprehensive in the history of Memphis head football coaches, and has a lead that is well-sourced. PCN02WPS ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 07:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Support - thanks for bearing with someone who knows little about the topic (although way back in my student days I was actually friends with someone who played for the university American football team. I was occasionally one of the 20 or 30 people (all friends of the players) who used to make up the "crowd" watching the game - that's how different university sport is in the UK :-) ) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:59, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I think these kinds of lists now look for a lot more info on the topic, e.g. look at List of Arsenal F.C. managers. I'm not sure that other sports should be getting a free pass on this.  The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 22:27, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Comments by WA8MTWAYC

 * Link Head coach
 * Fixed.
 * In the lede, maybe indicate which coach has the highest win % and/or won the most championships?
 * "Postseason play" could use some short explanation or should at least be wikilinked. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 20:26, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Comments by Lil-unique1

 * Why is text in the key unnecessarily small? I can't see any reason per MOS:SMALLTEXT justifying this.
 * Comment: I agree with you; that is not a page-specific issue as the key is List of College Football Program head coaches key, so the change would have to be made there.
 * Easily done - I've fixed it myself. ≫  Lil- Unique1  -{ Talk  }- 09:16, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


 * In the coaches table, shouldn't abbr be used for the acronyms?
 * , are you proposing this instead of having the key? If so, I'm happy to make that change. PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 23:44, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Both could coincide ≫  Lil- Unique1  -{ Talk  }- 09:15, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. PCN02WPS ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 15:06, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, not all references are achived which leaves the article open to linkrot in the future. ≫  Lil- Unique1  -{ Talk  }- 22:21, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

— RunningTiger123 (talk) 18:43, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * The lead does not summarize the entire list well. The second paragraph focuses on bowl appearances, which (a) ignores many other elements of the list and (b) produces a steep bias towards the most recent head coaches. I would add discussion of other elements of the list – longest-serving coaches, most wins, history of the program, etc. – and trim the current information.
 * Also, it might be nice to note the conference with which the program has been affiliated – since there have been times it was an independent, this would clarify why some coaches have no conference records.
 * "In addition to coaching at Memphis, McKeen spent nine years as the head coach at Mississippi State, where he earned SEC Coach of the Year honors in 1940." – unsourced and has no clear relation to the topic
 * Removed. PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 21:08, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I know this comes from a template, but I really dislike abbreviating "overall ties" as "OT". Most casual readers won't notice the key and will assume this means "overtime", since that is the more common usage in football discussions. I think that "OW", "OL", and "OT" should just be "W", "L", and "T", respectively.
 * That would mean that the list and the key disagree; would you recommend removing the key altogether to fix this? PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 21:07, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I've started a discussion at the template's talk page to address this and the dashes; I also notified WT:CFB of the discussion. If the template isn't changed, we might want to consider removing the template and creating a custom key. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:31, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Having blank cells makes the table look incomplete. I would suggest adding "—" to those cells to indicate they are not relevant. You could also put "0" in some columns to clarify if they were eligible to win something or not. For example, you could put a "—" under conference championships for Clyde H. Wilson to indicate the team wasn't in a conference and a "0" for Ryan Silverfield in that column to indicate the team is in a conference but hasn't achieved any titles yet.
 * These dashes were taken out at the recommendation of ChrisTheDude above. PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 21:05, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Archiving the sources is essential, especially since so much of the list relies on a single source.

Just to follow up: Are you still making changes to the page? It looks like some, but not all of my comments were addressed. (I'm not too worried about the key; we can stick with the template for now unless there is a consensus to change at that talk page.) RunningTiger123 (talk) 15:34, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , thanks for checking back up - I am still planning to improve the page but school has taken a lot of my time recently (coming up on finals week), but once that is over I will have more time to dedicate to this page. PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 22:48, 7 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Quick comment – In the second paragraph, Ryan Silverfield doesn't need a link, as his name is already linked at the end of the first paragraph. In fact, you could get away with excluding the first name entirely. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 02:21, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Giants2008 ( Talk ) 22:24, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
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