Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Mongrels episodes/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Dabomb87 21:41, 24 September 2010.

List of Mongrels episodes

 * Nominator(s): ISD (talk) 08:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel that this list meets all the required material to become one. It is detailed comphensive list of episodes and their plots, with references mainly from from the BBC and the British Comedy Guide. I have mainly based my list on my previous FLs covering Peep Show and QI. ISD (talk) 08:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * WP:BOLDTITLE: In the first sentence, only make the title bold if it is also the name of the article, and isn't purely descriptive. Since the article isn't titled "Mongrels", the article shouldn't make that bit bold. Also, for future reference, the bold part should not be wikilinked to another article.
 * Is it necessary in this article to tell us what it's working titles were? It's about the broadcasted episodes, which were all broadcasted with the title "Mongrels".
 * Don't WP:OVERLINK common terms such as "British", "situation comedy", "fox", "cat", "pigeon", "Afghan hound",
 * Remove words that just bump up the word count, such as "first" in "first broadcast"
 * "Debbie the suicidal chicken, who was eventually dropped from the show." --> "Debbie, a suicidal chicken who was eventually dropped from the show." perhaps?
 * "Following from this pilot" just doesn't sound right. Can it be rewritten at all?
 * Prose in the episode summaries needs tightening. Some of the WP:TONE is somewhat informal and unsuitable, other bits are structured incorrectly:
 * "Nelson's old friend Vince turns up"
 * "urges him to break-up his friendship" -- I think it should be "break up" but "end" would be better
 * "suggests the idea of eating Destiny's pups." Does he suggest just the idea of it? Without watching the show, it seems more likely that the sentence should be "suggests eating Destiny's pups"
 * "When he discovers what he has said" --> "When he realises what he has said" maybe?
 * "a bunch of celebrities" is very informal :(
 * "to be neutered a bunch of celebrities" -- missing a "by" perhaps?
 * Can you make the column widths for the pilot episode the same as for series 1?
 * In the episode column headers, what does "#" mean? Also what does "1 (2)" etc mean? This needs clarifying. There have been discussions recently at Template talk:Episode list that might help
 * "Chicken", "Runt", etc... are these alternative episode titles? It's not clear at the moment. Where did they come from, the main titles appear to be referenced twice, but the alternates aren't.
 * "social networking login" a whaty? This is something that might be worth linking
 * "he gets a shock when he discovers the Wendy he was planning to meet is not a human being after all, but a chicken." Seems a bit clumsy. Should it be "discovers that Wendy"? Perhaps rewriting the sentence a bit more succinctly, something like: "He is shocked to discover that Wendy, his date, is not human, but a chicken."?
 * "Strictly Dog Dancing" links to Strictly Come Dancing, but it's more than a bit misleading. Perhaps you should use parentheses to clarify that it's a spoof, or whatever, of Strictly Come Dancing
 * "canine horror show" is it a horror show as in the horror film genre, or is this personal opinion?
 * "badboy" should be two words bad boy
 * "Marion finds his new life most comfortable" this sounds odd to me, but it may be that it's totally acceptable for British phrasing and I'm just not used to it..
 * "When his neighbour Vince has a litter of fox cubs Nelson is thrilled to be an uncle at last" is missing a comma after "cubs"
 * "Vince has eaten all of his cubs except one - the runt of the litter." En- or em-dash, not WP:HYPHEN
 * "only to discover that he's the sickliest, saddest, most difficult animal you could ever wish to meet." no contractions @ "he's", and it should be "one could ever wish to meet" rather than "you", but, perhaps "he has ever met" would work best
 * "Marion gets addicted to catnip and goes crazy." seems a bit short on details. Either remove the sentence, because it doesn't seem like it's one of the major storylines for the episode, or expand a little by saying how she went crazy
 * "Nelson steps in with some aversion therapy in a bid to save his friend." Who is his friend? I'm assuming it means Marion, but an earlier episode summary implies the friendship is over
 * "Annoyed, Kali plots to tempt Dean back to the dark side." -- how? does she succeed?
 * "Marion falls for the beautiful Lollipop" Is Lollipop a kitten? Just needs a little context
 * "The trouble is," is a bit unencyclopedic
 * "the legal age for dating is not three weeks - it's four weeks" Dash again, not hyphen
 * "Which should be easy, a cat having nine lives." is not a complete sentence. (semi-colon, not comma, too)
 * "However, she quickly discovers that guiding has its downside." Is not a complete sentence. Join it with the preceeding using a semi-colon
 * "It's time" -- contraction
 * "decides to go for it" go for what? Poor tone here, not really encyclopedic
 * "Yes, it seems Christian has rabies." Same here. I suspect it's the "yes"
 * I stopped checking the prose at episode 4, but I did notice a bit more stuff that needs addressing with the other summaries. Try to find a good copyeditor to go through it all
 * Each episode has a box for the guest celebrities, but there is no mention of the celebrities (except Toby Anstis through a passing mention) in the summaries. If they're important enough to mention, why are they not important enough to describe what they did or their impact on their appearing in the episodes?
 * Why is Guy Fawkes night referred to as "5/11"? In all the years I grew up and lived in the UK, I don't remember it being called that.
 * Is there a need for that series overview box? There's increasing feeling at WP:TV that there isn't.
 * Why no real details on the DVD?
 * In the footnote: "This episode has yet to be broadcast..." This implies that it might be, but pilots that aren't made for broadcast rarely are broadcast so it might be worth saying "This episode was not broadcast"
 * I'm very concerned that the only references are the BBC and the British Comedy Guide. The BBC refs are all primary sources, and I'm not convinced that the British Comedy Guide website is a reliable source. I noticed at it's Wikipedia entry that all the sources are self-referential, and I know that notability ≠ reliability, but.... What fact-checking do they do? How do we know they are a reliable for this series, or indeed, any series? Are there any publications, paper or online, that use this site as a reference?
 * I'm also not convinced that the page should even be on Wikipedia. Are any of the episodes notable when they stand alone? The article doesn't make any indication that they are. The series itself may be notable, but the episodes do not inherit that notability.

As it is I have to oppose for now, but I have the page watchlisted so I'll check back in. Matthewedwards : Chat  05:34, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


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