Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of NFL tied games/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by 10:01, 16 May 2013 (UTC).

List of NFL tied games

 * Nominator(s):  Toa   Nidhiki05  02:25, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it is an interesting topic that gives the reader a solid overview of not only the current rarity of tie games in the NFL, but the overall history of ties in the NFL. This article features two tables - one showing the number of ties each season from 1920-1973, and another detailing the tie games since then. Ties were once very common in the NFL (256 from 1920-1973, or about five a season), but this was mainly because overtime for regular-season games was not established until 1974. Since then, there have only been 18 ties, and there have only been six since 1989. Ties are so uncommon that many players were unaware that they could happen, and they are almost always due to all-around poor play from both teams.  Toa   Nidhiki05  02:25, 27 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Support--  Astros 4477  ( Talk ) 21:34, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


 * 'From' should always be followed by a 'to' in a range. Everything else looks good. Reywas92 Talk 22:32, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure what you mean there. Nevermind, it was fixed  Toa   Nidhiki05  23:49, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * "Second regular-season overtime game in NFL history and highest-scoring tie game under modern rules." What do you mean? Do you mean second-highest scoring? --Golbez (talk) 18:53, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No, the highest-scoring - it was the second RS overtime game as well as the highest-scoring tie game. I've fixed it to be more clear.  Toa   Nidhiki05  19:25, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Ugh, whoops, I completely misread - I thought it was saying "second regular-season tie game in NFL history", my fault. --Golbez (talk) 21:00, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - MOS:ENDASH should be used.— Chris! c / t 04:59, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I have fixed this issue.  Toa   Nidhiki05  15:29, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Comments –
 * I still see faulty hyphens in three of the section titles.
 * I don't think the MoS encourages us to make years two-digit numbers. How about making the first section's heading Tied games (1920 to 1973)? Giants2008  ( Talk ) 22:07, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Changed.  Toa   Nidhiki05  22:57, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * What makes RealClearSports (ref 15) a reliable source?
 * I'm still not that convinced on the source and think that better alternatives may exist. Searching Google for "gus frerotte tie game" leads to an article in the Joplin Globe newspaper that seems to connect his injury to the tie game adequately for our purposes. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 22:07, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I've replaced the citation with the Joplin Globe one since that does seem more reliable.  Toa   Nidhiki05  22:57, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Publisher of ref 18 (Time Magazie) should be italicized as a printed publication. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 14:16, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe I've fixed the first and third issues. As to the second, it is a sister site of RealClearPolitics, a well-regarded and reliable polling firm. Additionally, the cited claim is extremely minor - it is common knowledge that Gus Ferrote was injured while headbutting a wall, the citation merely links it to the tied game.  Toa   Nidhiki05  14:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I understand if we listed all the tied games pre-1974 we'd have a huge list, but I don't really see a justification for not doing it.... Without those ties, this list appears to be incomplete to me. Perhaps you need two articles?
 * I have no issue making another article for pre-1974 ties; part of the reason I didn't was I was not sure if it would be notable, since ties were a standard result back then. I'd be perfectly fine working on an article about that, but could the FL status of this nomination be retained under a rename? I have a basic template of a pre-1974 ties page here.
 * I think I'll leave it for others to comment on the suitability of the pre-1974 ties... The Rambling Man (talk) 11:22, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Note this nomination appears to have stalled. Suggest the nominator contacts relevant projects or editors who may be interested in reviewing this for FLC, or else we should archive the nomination. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:06, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I do not want to have to re-do this nomination, so I'd be more than happy to contact a few WikiProjects.  Toa   Nidhiki05  19:15, 5 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Support – Although I can see an argument for including all of the pre-1974 ties in the list, the argument against including them is stronger, in my opinion. The whole point of this list is that a tie is an unusual occurrence in the NFL nowadays – this was not the case prior to 1974. Therefore, to limit the main list to the post-1974 ties makes perfect sense to me, and there is even a list of pre-1974 seasons with the number of ties included for interest value. Other than this, the list meets all of the other FL criteria and should pass this nomination. – PeeJay 20:45, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Comments: I don't know a thing about football, but I have a couple comments. I would support the promotion of this list as long as all other reviewers' comments are addressed. (Disclaimer: I did not complete any source- or fact-checking; I looked for style and consistency.) -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * please add line breaks between citations (some cells in the second table have more than one); also, center the column since the Ref column in the above table is centered
 * Done.
 * is there no image that could be incorporated into the article? no game stats sign displaying the same score? (not a big deal, just curious)
 * While such images do exist (see here), I can't find one that is free use.


 * Comments
 * Given that references ten and eleven are used as the primary references for the two tables, I would suggest removing the "Ref" columns and placing the primary reference in a "General references" section or similar. The references for the notes can be easily placed at the end of the note. This is only a personal preference though.
 * I would remove the bolding of "tied games".
 * Support I have no concerns with the way the list is split to only give details of the recent ties; the reasoning seems sound, and it would be an unnecessarily long and confusing list otherwise. My above comments are minor enough that I am happy to support irrespective of any changes made.  Harrias  talk 10:44, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support - I've taken the two suggestions and implemented them.  Toa   Nidhiki05  18:21, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

-- K.Annoyomous   (talk)   21:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Mention something about the NFL being the APFA for two years.
 * Done.  Toa   Nidhiki05  16:37, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Have this as a separate sentence instead. I would suggest, "The league was known as the American Professional Football Association (APFA) for its first two seasons." or maybe even include that they were the American Professional Football Conference during its founding, if you want. If you include a year(s), make sure to wikilink them to a respective season.
 * "since 1989 season" --> "since the 1989 season".
 * Don't add this into the article, but I just thought it was cool how the last six ties happened in the month of November. :D
 * That was actually reported by one of the sources as one of the oddities of NFL ties, but I didn't include it because it doesn't have much to do with the topic itself. :)  Toa   Nidhiki05  00:34, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * How are we doing with these comments? This is the last batch that is unresolved and we need to get this off the bottom of FLC. By the way, the year range by the APFA mention needs an en dash. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 22:03, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've addressed all of them, as well as yours.  Toa   Nidhiki05  22:53, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The second table also needs to be in WP:DTAB format. You already done it for the first one. — Chris! c / t 19:53, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the current arrangement of not including pre-1974 tied games is fine. And it appears that nominator has done all other comments. I will support once mine is done.— Chris! c / t 19:57, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support— Chris! c / t 20:29, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


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