Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of National Football League retired numbers/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Giants2008 10:01, 27 January 2014 (UTC).

List of National Football League retired numbers

 * Nominator(s): Darylgolden ( talk ) 00:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC), 71.126.8.99

I am nominating this on behalf of 71.126.8.99 for featured list because he recently added citations and added pictures, and now thinks that it is worthy of being a featured list. Darylgolden ( talk ) 00:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Comments from Rejectwater

Major problems (the below comments will refer to the Featured List criteria):
 * The lead is far too short and what is there is not very good. Please see WP:LEAD.  Currently fails criteria #1 and #2.
 * I believe it is safe to presume comprehensiveness at this time, however as it includes listings of "none" for teams with no retired numbers, I would call this a failure of criteria #3 due to the table contents going outside the scope of the page.
 * Has no section headings, no table of contents, and table sorting functions do not work as they should. Fails criteria #4.
 * At the very least it does not comply with WP:LEAD nor WP:ACCESS and therefore fails criteria #5.
 * Fails criteria 5(a), visual appeal, due mainly to failing most of the other criteria.
 * Fails criteria 5(b) due to images having poor captions and no alt texts.
 * Passes criteria #6.

Potential solutions and other more specific problems:
 * The lead has to be completely re-written with a length equal to the scope of the topic. I would think the lead of a page like this one would be about 3 paragraphs.
 * Get rid of the "none" listings. This isn't List of National Football teams that have no retired numbers.
 * Done.


 * Team names need to be displayed in full per WP:NOPIPE. The way it is done now also breaks sorting functionality.
 * Done.


 * Tables must comply with WP:ACCESS. See MOS:DTT for help with this.
 * Fixed headings.


 * There should be at least one section heading separating the lead from the list.
 * Done.


 * Player name should sort by last name. Use the  template for this.
 * Done.


 * Get rid of conference column. Irrelevant. The row header should be uber important, either the player's name or number.
 * Done.
 * Also, the row header should be sorted alphabetically by the player's last name on initial page view (ie, the code should be arranged this way). Right now the default sort is "no particular order, but grouped by club." Rejectwater (talk) 19:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It's based on team then number. I think that it's fine.
 * Please see Manual_of_Style/Lists: "Although lists may be organized in different ways, they must always be organized. The most basic form of organization is alphabetical or numerical (such as List of Star Wars starfighters), though if items have specific dates a chronological format is sometimes preferable (List of Belarusian Prime Ministers)." I don't believe that the current structure of the list meets this standard. Rejectwater (talk) 01:07, 21 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Posthumous: I don't know what to say about this. Also seems irrelevant.  Not in the About.com source.
 * Removed.


 * Is About.com considered a reliable source?
 * About.com is not a reliable source. Also, the citation claims the page is published by the NFL, which is absurd.  Rejectwater (talk) 19:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Image captions are boring. See WP:CAPTIONS.
 * Spruced things up a bit.


 * Not a single image has an alt text. See WP:ALT, especially the Bush/Blair and Queen Elizabeth examples.
 * Done.


 * There is no image in the lead.
 * Do not use contractions such as "don't".
 * Done.


 * References should follow the punctuation mark, not come before.
 * Done.


 * "are considered" - see WP:AWT. Considered by whom?
 * Done.


 * Citations are so poorly formatted I don't even know where to begin. See WP:CITE and Template:Cite web for starters. Several dead links in there as well. Rejectwater (talk) 23:39, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Reference column should not be sortable. Rejectwater (talk) 12:56, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Done.

Oppose The Rambling Man (talk) 17:28, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Lead is too short.
 * Citations need correct and consistent format.
 * WP:DASH needs to be adhered to.
 * Why is San Diego Chargers retired numbers specified as a see also?
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.