Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of National Geographic cover stories (1959 and 1960s)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was archived by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 14 August 2023 (UTC).

List of National Geographic cover stories (1959 and 1960s)

 * Nominator(s): Jake Jakubowski   (Talk)  09:14, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

I am nominating this for a featured list because I feel that National Geographic is an important culturally significant magazine that deserves to have its cover stories recognized. Most reference sources require a subscription to National Geographic, however if clicked on, you will be taken to the cover photo of that issue (Very slow website), you just won't be able to go into the magazine. Jake Jakubowski  (Talk)  09:14, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The lack of any meaningful non-Nat Geo sources makes me wonder if this meets NLIST. Not really a FLC problem, but I strongly suggest that you flesh out the lead to establish this -- In actu (Guerillero) Parlez Moi 10:51, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I will work on this and have it updated within 24hrs, I appreciate the feedback. Jake Jakubowski   (Talk)  11:11, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I have added a bunch of new non nat-geo references for the lead section. Jake Jakubowski   (Talk)  07:01, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Drive-by comment
 * Shouldn't the article title say "(1959 and 1960s)" per MOS:AMPERSAND.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I can move the article, I was just trying to shorten up the title as it's a bit long. Jake Jakubowski   (Talk)  08:33, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I would move it. Using the ampersand only saves two characters and the title isn't excessively long -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:56, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Moved the page with a redirect from the "&amp;" version Jake Jakubowski   (Talk)  09:02, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Moved this nomination page to match, since the bot gets confused sometimes otherwise. since I'm not sure if the move messes up page watching. -- Pres  N  15:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Jake Jakubowski   (Talk)  02:17, 14 April 2023 (UTC)


 * More comments
 * I would add an opening sentence saying something like "National Geographic magazine is noted for its cover photography" (but probably better worded) sourced to something like this. This will help to make clear that this is a notable topic in its own right.
 * "The cover story titled, "New...." - no need for that comma
 * I have to say I don't think it looks right to have the titles of stories/articles both in quote marks and italicised. I don't know if the MOS says anything about this but I personally would go for just the quote marks.
 * "by President Eisenhower" - give his full name, people outside the US will not necessarily know it
 * "Cover stories published saw articles" => "Cover stories included articles"
 * No need to link Eisenhower a second time, especially if you add his full name in para 1
 * "Human-interest stories such" - not the start of a new sentence so no need for capital letter
 * "And geographical locations" - same again
 * That sentence is unbelievably long, taking up the entire second paragraph - can you break it up at all?
 * "wrote the cover story titled, "First Explorers on the Moon", writing in detail, their account" - none of those commas are needed
 * "Photos could also be a painting or a drawing" - a photo can't be a drawing. If not all the images are photos, I suggest changing the column header to "image"
 * Notes c, d and f do not need full stops
 * Think that's it :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:34, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * All above are completed. Excellent suggestions, thank you :-) Jake Jakubowski   (Talk)  05:43, 15 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:37, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Nominator comments Jake Jakubowski   (Talk)  16:25, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Added a second reference on the first sentence from The Boston Globe for more notability.
 * Added scope to the tables for better accessibility.

Oppose: While National Geographic is a notable magazine, its cover stories are themselves usually not notable. Thus having an article list out the titles of these non-notable items is inappropriate, given that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Indeed, over 95 percent of the references here are to National Geographic itself—i.e. self-references that do not establish independent notability of the topic at hand. Lastly, the first sentence states the magazine "is noted for its cover stories and accompanying photography", but one of the two sources backing this claim is a self-published blog.—indopug (talk) 15:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Indopug I added better references to opening sentence. Jake Jakubowski   (Talk)  06:48, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Indopug, this is not really the form for such a complaint. If you have a notability issue like this it should be brought to AFD, otherwise the article is certainly valid for consideration at FLC.  Aza24  (talk)   17:53, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Among the featured list criteria, it fails to meet the content requirements listed in the opening paragraph (including, say, WP:RS, seeing as how 90 percent of the citations in the article are from a primary source). It also fails to meet WP:NOT, specifically WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:INDISCRIMINATE.—indopug (talk) 01:45, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

 * Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting + caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting + instead.
 * Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g.  becomes  . If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
 * Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. -- Pres N  18:18, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Completed Jake Jakubowski   (Talk)  04:23, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Giants2008 ( Talk ) 21:23, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.