Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of National Treasures of Japan (ancient documents)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 17:49, 12 November 2010.

List of National Treasures of Japan (ancient documents)

 * Nominator(s): bamse (talk) 09:17, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

This is a list in the series of National Treasures of Japan lists. It has been modelled after other featured Lists of National Treasures of Japan. I tried to incorporate comments from previous featured list candidacies. bamse (talk) 09:17, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment—no dab links, but the external link to http://www.narahaku.go.jp/exhibition/2009toku/ningbo/ningbo_index.html is dead. Ucucha 23:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I am aware of the broken link. Unfortunately the page has disappeared and is not present at the internet archive or WebCite either. As far as I understand WP:ROT (quote: "Do not delete factual information solely because the URL to the source does not work any longer. WP:Verifiability does not require that all information be supported by a working link, nor does it require the source to be published on-line." and "...do not delete a URL solely because the URL does not work any longer"), the url should stay in the article, right? bamse (talk) 23:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, all information on Wikipedia should be verifiable, and no one can verify something that is referenced to a broken link. Can you reference this information to a different source? Ucucha 00:45, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought so too, but it seems to contradict wikipedia's policy which I quoted above (from WP:ROT): "WP:Verifiability does not require that all information be supported by a working link". bamse (talk) 16:45, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * But surely it is better to have a source that can actually be accessed! Ucucha 19:41, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed the reference. The information is already present in (general) reference 4. bamse (talk) 22:10, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support. Well referenced and well sourced list. Ruslik_ Zero 16:11, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comments - Ref 23, 25, 41, 54, 68, 75 language needs stating. Ref 43 returns the Portugese Google Frontpage. Afro  ( Say Something Funny ) - Afkatk 11:05, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed all. 25 already had the language stated. Removed ref 54 as it might not be WP:RS. PS: In fact it was the Polish google books frontpage... bamse (talk) 21:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Either way I'm glad that the ref doesn't return the frontpage anymore. Ref 43 needs a language parameter. Afro  ( Talk ) 07:46, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Added and also to ref 59. Hope those were all. bamse (talk) 21:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I see no problem with the list. Afro  ( Talk ) 05:31, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

--  Magic ♪piano 00:24, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Support This list is quite well done. I only have quibbles of sorts:
 * I presume that the categorization of treasures is somehow officially determined, but this is not stated here. A sentence after the opening one saying something like "Ancient documents are one of  cagetories of treasures recognized by " would clarify this.
 * Your presumption is correct. I added: "Ancient documents" is one of thirteen cagetories of national treasures recognized by the agency. bamse (talk) 14:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * National Treasures of Japan says there are 59 items on this list; what is the reason for the discrepancy?
 * That's because I forgot to update the National Treasures of Japan article with this year's new nomination ("Map of rice fields in Naruto, Imizu District, Etchū Province"). As of this year, there are 60 ancient documents national treasures. Fixed. bamse (talk) 13:40, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This is just a suggestion: that the maps vary by size the dots based on the number of items held somewhere. (I'd suggest color variation, but that probably violates WP:ACCESS.)
 * I see what you mean, something like National_Treasures_of_Japan. Apart from the WP:ACCESS violation, I think that the numbers are already well covered by the table next to the map. Also I would not know what intervals I would use for coloring ("1", "2-5", ">5"?). Furthermore unlike for immobile national treasures (temples, shrines, residences, castles), the non-uniform distribution of treasures has probably more than one reason (cultural center Kyoto and famous museums in Tokyo...) and just presenting the numbers encoded in colors might be confusing. Also due to a lack of reliable sources I don't want to discuss or stress this issue too much in the article. bamse (talk) 14:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * As I said, it was just a suggestion. Since the other issues are addressed, I support.  Magic ♪piano 17:47, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Another great list. Courcelles 14:11, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.