Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of New Orleans Saints seasons/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 12:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC).

List of New Orleans Saints seasons

 * Nominator(s): Hey man im josh (talk) 02:38, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it to be up to featured list quality. This is my second NFL team seasons list and I will, as always, do my best to respond prompty to all comments. Hey man im josh (talk) 02:38, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Not really any major comments, nice work!  ULPS ( talk •  contribs ) 03:32, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comments from ULPS
 * "Refs" is an abbreviation, so use the template
 * It feels somewhat clunky for During the team's worst season in 1980 the fans began to wear paper bags over their heads to games and started to call the team the "'Aints". The Saints did not have their first winning-season until 1987, their twenty-first season in the league. That same season, the Saints made their first playoff appearance. to be at the end, perhaps move it earlier in the paragraph?
 * When there are multiple coaches in a season, I think you should put a note next to their record specifying what exactly those numbers mean. IMO it's not completely clear that it's their record otherwise.
 * Coaches are wikilinked after their first mention, not needed.
 * "Refs" is an abbreviation, so use the template – Done
 * It feels somewhat clunky... – I see what you've getting at. I've moved the sentences around a bit, let me know your thoughts.
 * When there are multiple coaches in a season, I think you should put a note next to their record specifying what exactly those numbers mean. IMO it's not completely clear that it's their record otherwise. – I feel as though it's contextually clear, how strongly do you feel about this?
 * Coaches are wikilinked after their first mention, not needed. – MOS:DUPLINK allows for re-linking within tables. I've kept it consistent within the list, but it is my personal preference to re-link within lists that I work on.
 * Hey man im josh (talk) 15:15, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Since I had to move my reply and didn't ping (I think I submitted too soon on accident), I just wanted to send a ping your way to let you know I've responded @ULPS. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:06, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm cool with the changes, don't have any other gripes. Support  ULPS ( talk •  contribs ) 20:09, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * "five months after the 89th United States Congress approved the merger of the NFL with the American Football League (AFL) in June of that year" - I think the last five words are redundant as most people can work out that five months prior to November was June
 * "In January 1967, the team was given the current "New Orleans Saints" name" => "In January 1967, the team was given the name "New Orleans Saints""
 * "Since the franchise's creation, it has been based in New Orleans." - I think "Throughout the franchise's history, it has always been based in New Orleans." would make the point clearer
 * Any way to make it so the next two sentences don't both start with "the team"?
 * "originally Louisiana Superdome from 1975 to 2011 and formerly Mercedes-Benz Superdome from 2011 to 2021" => "originally Louisiana Superdome from 1975 to 2011 and later Mercedes-Benz Superdome from 2011 to 2021"
 * "Tom remained owner" => "He remained owner"
 * "Gayle has since" => "She has since"
 * "The Saints did not have their first winning-season" - no reason for that hyphen -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:32, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Fantastic feedback as always, thank you @ChrisTheDude! I've implemented all of your suggested changes and I hope I've addressed all of your concerns. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:41, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Those are all the comments I have. Support in light of there being no major issues. Steelkamp (talk) 09:38, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comments from Steelkamp
 * Is it necessary to have the initialism "AFL" in the lead when the AFL is not mentioned again in the lead?
 * NFL playoffs could be linked in the earlier mention of "playoffs" rather than later in the same sentence.
 * "During the team's worst season in 1980[A] the fans began to wear paper bags over their heads to games and started to call the team the "'Aints"." Is this sentence strictly necessary for this list? I think it's a bit too much information for a list like this.
 * Could you consider using Template:Nowrap in the head coaches column around the parts in brackets? On my browser, "(1–5–1)" is split between different lines when it would look better as one line.


 * Thank you so much for your review @Steelkamp! To address your points...
 * Is it necessary to have the initialism "AFL" in the lead when the AFL is not mentioned again in the lead?
 * – I mentioned the AFL in the lead because the acronym is used again later in footnote B.
 * NFL playoffs could be linked in the earlier mention of "playoffs" rather than later in the same sentence. – Good catch, fixed.
 * During the team's... Is this sentence strictly necessary for this list? I think it's a bit too much information for a list like this. – I think a brief mention of history is sometimes relevant, especially given the context that their first winning season was their twenty-first in the league. Other NFL articles have brief mentions of history, especially those with historic bad streaks. The nickname is also somewhat relevant as it comes up whenever the Saints aren't playing well. A similar one would have been List of Detroit Lions seasons mentioning some of the negatives of my beloved franchise.
 * Could you consider using Template:Nowrap in the head coaches column... – Good suggestion, done. I'll implement this on other season articles I've worked/am working on moving forward.
 * I appreciate the feedback! Hey man im josh (talk) 13:52, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Only minor comments that don't affect my support: Support « Gonzo fan2007  (talk)  @ 17:00, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support from Gonzo_fan2007
 * The "Finish, T-# and Pct" seem redundant or self-explanatory (you have the tooltip on the column headers in the table)
 * Recommend Win-loss record for the head coach column
 * If you rowspan the reference cells in the "Total" row, you can remove some duplication
 * The note about the worst season in the last sentence of the lead should just be written out, either inline in the sentence or in parenthesis.
 * Source review: Passed
 * Ref #1 - I would add the primary title "New Orleans Saints - Team Facts"
 * Ref #41 - the title can be shortened to "Jim Mora - Head Coach - New Orleans Saints Legends", which is the title on the web page
 * All references are archived, are reliable sources and are appropriately formatted. Spot checks showed good connection to the data that was cited.


 * @Gonzo fan2007: I've implemented most of your suggestions. I did not remove Finish, to clarify that this may represent the division or conference and not their finish against the overall league, T-# because I think others could use the clarification, and pct because I like that a person may click on "winning percentage" in the key, whereas they cannot for the tooptip. I did not change ref 1 because, and please do help me understand this if I'm incorrect, wouldn't that be editorializing the target's title? Hey man im josh (talk) 19:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * , you may find Abbrlink useful. It Allows the generation of a tooltip while also providing a clickable link. (I.e. Pct). Regarding the title, I try to stick to what is provided on the page; that said for ProFootballHoF.com, the way that they split up their web pages is ridiculous. So I tend to clarify the team I am talking about in the title. That said, not a big issue, obviously. « Gonzo fan2007  (talk)  @ 20:34, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I've had that same problem with ProFootballHoF.com when citing those team fact pages, I hate it. Thank you for the advice! Hey man im josh (talk) 20:45, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Promoting. -- Pres N  03:52, 4 February 2024 (UTC)


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