Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of ODI cricket centuries scored on debut/archive1


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The list was promoted by Giants2008 02:14, 11 August 2015.

List of ODI cricket centuries scored on debut

 * Nominator(s): Joseph2302 (talk) and &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 19:14, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

created the basic article. I expanded the lead and tidied up the table a bit. Look forward to comments and suggestions &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 19:14, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

{{hidden/FC|headerstyle=background:#ccf;|contentstyle=border:1px #ccf solid; padding:10px;|header=Resolved comments from  Azealia 911  {{sub|talk}}  19:32, 26 July 2015 (UTC)|content=Comments from Azealia911 {{Small|General}}
 * Why is the article not titled "List of One Day International cricket centuries scored on debut"? The abbreviation in the title seems rather confusing, and expanding doesn't make it overtly long. The article for One Day International isn't abbreviated to something like "ODI (cricket)", and even if it a commonly referred to abbreviation, things like MTV Video Music Award are still used as article titles (over "MTV VMA's" in this case)
 * You're right. Will move the article once the discussion gets archived. &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Picture of Martin Guptill needs an alt.
 * It's there already &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * So it is, sorry, I saw the ]] next to Guptill's link and mistook that for the end of the file. Could you possible expand on it? Just his name is rather brief.  Azealia 911  {{sub|talk}}
 * No, WP:ALT suggests in these kinda lists it's fine to have the names alone. &mdash; Vensatry {{sub|  (ping)  }} 10:55, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

{{Small|Lead}}
 * "regarded by the critics as a significant achievement." Needs citation.
 * Added &mdash; Vensatry {{sub|  (ping)  }} 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Both instances of "achieved this feat." → "accomplished this"
 * Done &mdash; Vensatry {{sub|  (ping)  }} 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Why is the F in Full members capitalized? {{Small|(Not a cricket expert I'm afraid, if it's something to do with that, that's fine, just pointed it out in case it's a grammatical error)}}
 * Done &mdash; Vensatry {{sub|  (ping)  }} 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * "no player from Bangladesh, India and Sri Lanka has achieved this feat." I don't see what relevance this holds.
 * Because these three teams are full members of the ICC, it makes sense to add them here. Also, the Indian batsmen have scored the most centuries in ODIs, so it definitely adds some relevance to the context. &mdash; Vensatry {{sub|  (ping)  }} 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Sentence about Dennis Amiss needs citation.
 * Not needed as it's referenced in the table. Added a ref. for the FN &mdash; Vensatry {{sub|  (ping)  }} 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * "His total was bettered" → "His record was broken by"
 * Done &mdash; Vensatry {{sub|  (ping)  }} 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * "when the latter" there's only one name mentioned in the sentence.
 * Done &mdash; Vensatry {{sub|  (ping)  }} 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

{{Small|Key}} vibe that they are unrelated.
 * Move the key to below the table, and remove an equals sign from each side, having both of them at the same header level gives off the
 * This still needs doing  Azealia 911  {{sub|talk}}
 * In general, we list the key above the table. You might want to have a look at similar lists. As for the equals sign, can you elaborate a little more on it. Are you referring to the rowscopes? &mdash; Vensatry {{sub|  (ping)  }} 10:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough for listing the Key first, but having both the "Key" and "ODI centuries on debut" under ==These headers== gives off the impression to me that the sections are unrelated, I suggest as compromise:

==One Day International centuries on debut==

Key

 * Key*


 * Table*

ODI centuries on debut
 * Change section header to One Day International centuries on debut per my comments about the article title.
 * Done &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I meant the section header as in "ODI centuries on debut" to what I suggested.
 * Still needs doing


 * In Venue, add the country to each listing.
 * Done &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * First listing needs a country, please link the countries as well.
 * Still needs doing


 * There's a space next to Won before the ref (like Won [3]) for Dennis Amiss' listing, remove it.
 * Done &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Notes
 * The first sentence of the second paragraph in the lead discusses the first ODI century, there is then a note that reads "It was the first ever century scored in ODIs." when we've literally just been told this in the sentence?
 * The sentence says "English cricketer Dennis Amiss was the first debutant to score a century in ODIs". It cannot be inferred that he was the first to score a century in ODIs. &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Remove note [b] completely, it's explained immediately after in the table, and holds little relevance to how many times a scoring player's team lost.
 * I disagree. It would give an impression that of the nine occasions a cricketer has scored a century, his team has won seven times. &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

References Think that's everything I spotted.  Azealia 911  talk  01:44, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * → it's more browser friendly.
 * Done &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments. &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Further comments Looking a lot better  Azealia 911  talk  10:39, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd remove the Key listing on no result, and just link the page to about it in the ODI box.
 * Since the 'Result' column is sortable, I may have to link 'Won' and 'Lost' also. So, it's better to have the explanation (hyperlink) in the key itself. &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 10:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * All but one reference now appears in the Notes section?
 * Not sure what needs to be done here &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 10:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Once these are addressed I'll happily support.  Azealia 911  talk  13:23, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Summing up final notes (would appreciate you replying here as opposed to above):
 * Key needs changing to what I suggested, or at least something that gives the two sections some kind of connect, if you're still not sure as to what I mean, give me the green light and I'll change it myself, which we can then always discuss.
 * It won't confuse the reader, as the header precisely tells the purpose of each table. &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 18:06, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The section header for "ODI centuries on debut" needs changing to "One Dday Internationals centuries on debut"
 * Done &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 18:06, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * All of the countries in the "Venue" column need linking.
 * Countries are major geographic entities. We shouldn't links them per WP:OVERLINK. &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 18:06, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm at a loss as to what you've done to the Footnotes/Notes/References. Change "Footnotes" header to "Notes", "Notes" to "References" and implement the ref at the bottom. See here if you're unsure of what I mean.
 * Done &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 18:06, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hope everything should be fine now. Thanks for volunteering &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 18:06, 26 July 2015 (UTC)}}

Can now happily Support per all comments being addressed. Would appreciate any feedback at an FLC I opened, thanks.  Azealia 911  talk  19:32, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Will review your nomination soon. &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 10:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Support NapHit (talk) 19:42, 30 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comments from Harrias talk
 * "While at least one player from seven of the ten teams..." I think "Although" would sound better starting this sentence, rather than "While". It might be better completely reworked to something like "Players representing seven of the ten teams that have full member status have scored an ODI century on debut; no players from Bangladesh, India and Sri Lanka have accomplished the feat."
 * It would be more interesting (to me, at least) to note that Amiss' century came in the second ODI ever played, rather than it being in "the first match of the Prudential Trophy in 1972".
 * "His record was broken..." What record? You haven't mentioned a record. I assume, given what follows, you mean the highest score on debut, but the only thing mentioned previous is that Amiss was the first player to score a century on debut, and that record clearly can't be beaten!
 * "the most recent cricketer to score a debut ODI century." The term "debut ODI century" is a bit ambiguous, as it is also used to refer to a player's first century, even if they score it in their seventeenth match! I would rephrase this for clarity.
 * "..his team has lost two times." I'd change "his" to "their" personally.
 * Ref #9 is missing an author.
 * Ha! Just noticed that this wasn't an author at all. Must pay attention to foreign languages! Harrias talk 19:40, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Ref #10 has a typo in the work name ("Aamanack"!) and should take an endash, rather than a hyphen in the year range. Harrias talk 09:22, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hope everything is fixed. Thanks for the review &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 17:04, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Support, great work, and good quick responses. Well done! Any chance you could take a look at Featured list candidates/List of international cricket centuries by Greg Chappell/archive2? Harrias talk 19:40, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


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