Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Olympic records in swimming/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:31, 24 August 2016 (UTC).

List of Olympic records in swimming

 * Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it's current, and while it may not be stable for the next two weeks, I'll keep on top of it. In the meantime, feel free to let me know if anything's missing. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 6 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Support good work. - Yellow Dingo&#160;(talk) 09:41, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment – The men's relay teams seem to be sorting by first name, not last name. The women's relay teams don't have this issue, so there might be a little formatting tweak required. I didn't find anything else worth noting. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 21:20, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Done, thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:46, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Support – That did the job. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 21:21, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

A few comments: Otherwise looks good. Ravendrop 23:34, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Why are marathon records not included? If this is because they aren't kept (which I suspect, because I couldn't find any), I think that should be noted somewhere.
 * The lead states that this considers pool-based events only. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I missed that, thanks. Ravendrop 17:30, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * At the end of the first paragraph of the lead include when the standard 50m pool was first used. The last mention is of 1908, but according to Swimming at the Summer Olympics it wasn't until 1924 that the 50m was used.  As of now, it seems incomplete to me, and just from reading it I would have assumed that the 50m was first used in 1912.
 * I'm not sure why that's important to the records? The information is held in the article you link to (correctly so), and this is just a brief overview of the history of swimming at the Games.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I think that adding the half sentence it would take to complete the thought wouldn't harm the page in any way, especially as the link to the history article is a little bit away, but I'm not going to oppose solely on this point. Ravendrop 17:30, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Why is London 2012 highlighted as the standard in the second paragraph. Either change to 2016 or say something generic such as "currently"
 * Will be updated in the next few days once swimming has concluded. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Cesar Cielo is referred to in the table by his common name and in the caption on the photo by his full name (Cesar Cielo Filho), pick one for consistency.
 * Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Double check the total record numbers in the second paragraph (I know it's still active). Additionally, as it adds to 33 due to a tie in one record, I would add a note explaining that (especially as the sentence explicity states "of the 32 records")
 * Will be updated in the next few days once swimming has concluded. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Just note that I corrected this (Australia was listed as 4 and Sweden was missing) Ravendrop 17:30, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * As an aside, I think that if they exist the olympic records for discontinued events would be interesting to add, but since this isn't common practice on other similar pages, my support isn't conditional on them being added.
 * As you say, this isn't commonplace, and would be irrelevant to this style of list. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments, I've responded inline above. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * All done now thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:50, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks good, see just a couple of comments above. Ravendrop 17:30, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment I think the "Event" column needs to be sorted by the type of swim (i.e. 50m freestyle, 100 m freestyle, 200 m freestyle). Now, it just sorts by the numbers (i.e. 50m freestyle, 100 m backstroke, 100 m breaststroke). Cheetah  (talk)  01:28, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Personally I'm not even sure there's any need to sort this col at all. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it's needed. When someone sorts the list by name/nation, he can later sort the "Event" column to get back to the original order. Cheetah  (talk)  22:20, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * No, you missed the point. The events aren't comparable. It's probably no sorting at all here, especially as the relay teams won't necessarily sort with individual records. Thanks, I'll make both tables unsortable except by date and games. Thanks for your help! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:41, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I think what he was saying is that you should be able to sort by event, but with sortkeys so that it sorts by type instead of distance- hitting sort event would make it 50m back first, then 100m back, 200m back, etc. That way, if you sort the table by name, you can re-clump the events back together by sorting by event. Not saying you should, just trying to translate. -- Pres N  17:34, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I've made it so it can be sorted back to its original order. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:44, 15 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Support Thanks, PresN. - Cheetah  (talk)  03:17, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Comments Struggling to see any other issues. NapHit (talk) 14:59, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You need to add rowscopes to the table so it complies with MOS:DTT
 * ref 11 needs the author adding
 * Done these two, thanks for the eagle eyes. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:18, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Happy to support now. Great work as always The Rambling Man! NapHit (talk) 19:33, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Source Review


 * Formatting: Some of your website titles are a little odd - I personally would have used "Rio 2016" or "Rio2016.com" or "Rio 2016 Games", not "The official website for the Rio 2016 Games", e.g. something that names the actual organization that is publishing the material, rather than a descriptor of the website. Though, you also use "London 2012 official website" - which isn't even true, ref 20 redirects to olympic.org. Can you try to standardize, and use a title that's an actual title and not a description?
 * Spotchecks: checked refs 3, 14, 24, 34 - ref 34 is a 404 page, rest are fine, though as I say above the london 2012 refs are also redirecting to another site.
 * Completeness: no obvious gaps

Some issues to be fixed before this can be promoted. -- Pres N  18:49, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * All done, thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Source review passed; promoting. -- Pres N  16:54, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


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