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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 01:43, 10 May 2009.

List of Olympic women's ice hockey players for Canada

 * Nominator(s): Scorpion 0422 

My second Canadian Olympic player list, modeled after List of Olympic men's ice hockey players for Canada. This one is different because it contains columns for each Olympic year. I figured this would be useful because there are so few teams and because many have participated in multiple tournaments, the sort feature didn't work properly before. I realize that it may be a little confiusing because the years column doesn't have an "Olympics" header, but I tried to add one and I couldnt' figure out a way to do it without killing the sortability. Just in case someone asks, I don't think this system could be used in the men's list because there is an extra 70 years of history (thus making it far too wide) and only a handful have played on multiple teams. Also, I was considering adding a small unfancy list of the other potential players for the 2010 team. Does anyone think I should? Anyway, all comments are welcome. Enjoy. -- Scorpion 0422  15:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - The column Notes shouldn't be sortable. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 05:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't understand the formatting of ref 5 (Podnieks & Szemberg 2008 as well as a link); are that two separate refs? Also, ampersands shouldn't be used. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:00, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a book called the top 100 IIHF stories. However, all 100 stories have been posted at the IIHF website. So it credits the author, then links to the online page. That system is used because a similar page, Ice hockey at the Olympic Games, cites that book about 40 times and it was very unweildy having to repeat the same stuff (publisher, date, etc.) over and over again, so I just switched to the format used for books.
 * Thanks once again for taking a look. -- Scorpion 0422  00:53, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by  T ru  c o  
 * Lead
 * "Canada has sent teams to every tournament. Those three teams have consisted of five goaltenders and 32 skaters, all of whom have won Olympic medal"-- Wouldn't it be Canada has sent three teams to every tournament. These teams have consisted of five goaltenders and 32 skaters, all of whom have won Olympic medals.
 * It's three teams in three tournaments, not three in one. That part was badly worded, and I fixed it.
 * "In July 1992, the IOC voted to approve women's hockey as an Olympic event to first be held at the 1998 Winter Olympics." -- IOC needs to be spelled out on its first occurrence
 * Done.
 * "Canada and the United States dominated the round-robin portion of the 1998 tournament and in their head-to-head match up, the United States won 7–4." -- 1)What does "round-robin" mean? 2)Comma before "and"
 * Fixed.
 * "The Canadian and American teams continued their rivalry and in a rematch between the two at the 2002 Winter Olympics, Canada won 3–2." -- Comma before "and"
 * Fixed.
 * "Canada has won two gold and one silver in women's hockey, and is tied with the United States for the most medals." -- IDK, but its really awkward to state "won two gold and silver" medals perhaps? Or is it proper like that?
 * Fixed.
 * "Wickenheiser is the all-time leading scorer in the women's tournament at the Olympics with 14 goals, 20 assists and 34 points." -- Shouldn't there be a comma before "with"
 * Fixed.
 * "In March 2009, the staff named 22 players to the 2009 World Championship team as well as four additional players who would not compete in 2009 but could potentially be included in the Olympic roster. " -- Comma before "as well"
 * "One player has been inducted into the IIHF Hall of Fame and one into the Canada's Sports Hall of Fame." -- I'm a bit edgy on whether you should spell out IIHF here.
 * Fixed.
 * Tables
 * What does the checkmark mean? It should be explained in the key.
 * Done.
 * The notes should be unsortable.
 * I disagree with that one, I think it would be useful to be able to sort by who was team captain, flag bearer and various Hall of Fame inductees.
 * IDK, but IMO the medals column shouldn't be sortable either, since some cells have more than one entry, and sorting isn't really representative of all the content.-- T ru  c o   01:13, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The sorting of that column is fixed so that it goes by number of medals, then by colour, then by year.
 * As always, thanks for taking a look. -- Scorpion 0422  14:16, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I agree with everything but the notes being sortable because some of the cells have more than once entry, and if you sort there is no accurate representation of sorting the content. T ru  c o   16:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, since it's a smallish table, I agree, fixed. What do you think of adding the potential 2010 players (sourced to the official Hockey Canada website)? -- Scorpion 0422  16:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see a problem with it, since its from the official governing body. Why is there a problem with it? T ru  c o   18:31, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I just thought it was somewhat crystalish because even though it is an official source, it is a future team. I'll add them in later. -- Scorpion 0422  18:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, since you have a column for the 2010 team for some of the entries already, it just seems to fit IMO. I will cap once those are added, if they are.-- T ru  c o   19:33, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Support -- Previous issues resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.-- T ru  c o   20:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Comments -
 * "Canada has sent a team to all three tournaments." Slightly confusing because the previous sentence is about the men's competition. Perhaps making it say "women's tournaments" would fix that.
 * Instead, I rearranged it a little and moved the bit about the men's tournament to the next paragraph.
 * References are out of order in the first sentence of the second paragraph.
 * Fixed.
 * "and is tied with the United States for the most." Medals? They aren't tied in golds or silvers.
 * Yes, medals. The word medals was in there previously but I removed it because the word is already used twice. Readded.
 * Should "the" be removed before Canada's Sports Hall of Fame? I think I mentioned this in the men's player list.
 * Yes. I used to have it written as "the Canadian Sports Hall of Fame", but "Canada's Sports Hall of Fame" is the correct title so I changed the name and forgot about the the.
 * "and Hayley Wickenheiser. Wickenheiser...". Can this be reordered so there aren't two straight Wickenheisers?
 * Done.
 * Excess pp. formatting bit in reference 24 (2002 Salt Lake City results).  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 18:37, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks for taking a look. -- Scorpion 0422  19:18, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Support - Was a very good list to begin with and surely meets the FL standards now. The only thing I would recommend for the future is more photos to the right of the tables if they become avaliable; more than enough room exists for them. That doesn't affect the current status of the page, however.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 23:42, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There are some more free ones on Flickr, but they aren't particularily good. (example) -- Scorpion 0422  15:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Oppose—Not well-written; glitches.
 * MOS prefers numbers above ten, doesn't it? No big deal, tho. There are other examples ... and then "14" etc.
 * I was told that you should try to be consistant with numbers when they are in one sentence. So either have 6 and 17 or six and seventeen.
 * Out-of-order statements: "Canada has sent a team to all three tournaments. Those teams have consisted of five goaltenders and thirty-two skaters, all of whom have won Olympic medals." The goal-keepers and skaters needs to be a separate, prior statement, yes? Join up the three tournaments and medals bits?
 * Done.
 * "previously", like "currently" so often, is redundant.
 * "Before 1998, women's hockey had been dominated by Canada's national team. Canadian teams had won every World Championship up to that point". Isn't just "Until 1998," good enough, without the last four words? Look throughout for redundant wording, and try these exercises in distributed sessions.
 * Fixed.
 * "and is tied with the United States for the most overall medals"—The "is" looks funny to me. What, right now? Last year? When? WP doesn't like time-phrases that immediately become obsolete. There's another "is" a few seconds further on. See MoS on this.
 * Fixed the first statement.

And other things. Please find an unfamiliar word-nerd to copy-edit. Lots of red links; I guess this means your next task is to write stubs and see them through to something better? Tony  (talk)  06:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll try to find a copyeditor. Thanks for taking a look. -- Scorpion 0422  16:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Images Check out fine. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  22:34, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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