Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Popotan episodes/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Scorpion0422 23:14, 20 January 2009.

List of Popotan episodes
List has been said by Goodraise and, a bit ago, Scorpion0422 to be FL worthy. I cleaned up the few remaining issues Goodraise mentioned. じん    ない   03:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I did? -- Scorpion 0422  19:10, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Back a while you said at the time it was close to it, but still needed improvements, especially in the episode summaries, which i edited. じん    ない   21:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I said it "looks ready to attempt a FLC". You make it sound like I said it met WP:WIAFL. Please be more careful when refering to others. I would also have liked to get informed of this. -- Goodraise (talk) 07:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Oppose from Needs a copy-edit, preferably by someone outside WP:ANIME. These are examples from the lead and the first two summaries.
 * "as they travel through time inside a mansion talking to" "talking to"-->that talks to.
 * ""Popotan Hatake de Tsukamaete" (ぽぽたん畑でつかまえて, "Popotan Hatake de Tsukamaete"?) by Under17 and "S-U-K-I" by Funta respectively," Use em dashes instead of commas here.
 * "The anime contains twelve episodes which first aired "-->The anime contains 12 episodes, which first aired
 * "There were six Japanese DVDs released, each containing 2 episodes." "2"-->two.
 * "A Region 2 box set was released by Bandai Visual the same day as the last individual DVD was published." "as"-->that.
 * "While the box set was cheaper" "While"-->Although.
 * "Geneon USA licensed the DVDs for North American release. Between December 12, 2004 and March 22, 2005, they" "they"-->it.
 * "A final box set was released on August 14, 2007, shortly before their demise" Whose demise?
 * "Daichi, a young boy, meets the four girls traveling" "the four girls" makes it sound like we should know who the girls are. Delete "the". "girls traveling"-->girls, who are traveling
 * " in order to"
 * "After showing them in class, the students initially believe the house is haunted; they later find out the truth."-->After showing them in class the students initially believe the house is haunted, but later they find out the truth.
 * "Believing Asuka hates him,"-->Believing that Asuka hates him,
 * "At the end of the anime, Daichi wakes up on a dandelion field as the mansion disappears as Asuka comes by to see him. " "as ... as" repetition annoying and makes logical flow unclear.
 * "those she meets, makes friends with"-->those she meets and befriends
 * "While she attends school, she decides this time to aggressively distance herself " You say "this time". Be more specific about what time in her life or what school she is; it isn't clear that she has been to many school and experienced the same problems.
 * "Mai and Konami become friends, despite Mai's knowledge that she can't stay around forever."
 * " In the end, Konami convinces Mai that it doesn't matter when or where they are because it's the memories and feelings that are important. " Dabomb87 (talk) 04:37, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * With 2 exceptions, I made those changes. The first, is with the first point. I changes to "inside a mansion and talking to" because the suggestion you made it sound like the mansion is the one that converses, which isn't true and the other was with "While she attends school, she decides this time to aggressively distance herself". Since the anime does not explore the past, but uses context, it is impossible to say which schools; nor does it even mention any names and deliberately keeps things vague, however, it is clear from the episode's context that Mai has done this before because she talks about repeating the same scenerio.  じん    ない   05:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Still not there The prose has not improved to FL standards yet. Have you found a third-party copy-editor yet? There seems to be a dearth of those at WP:ANIME, which is a shame. These examples are from the tenth episode.
 * "Mai is distraught from the miscommunication with Konami's daughter, Mai and attempts to destroy her stuff." Needs to be a comma after "Mai".
 * "she retrieves Konami's drawing of Mai storing it with other keepsakes" I don't follow; so Konami drew Mai storing "it", whatever "it" may be.
 * "guarded two bothers on the journey" What is a "bother"?
 * "Later, Mea meets up with Keith" Comma after this phrase.
 * "he will be bringing the girls to see Shizuku"-->he will be bring the girls to see Shizuku
 * "Having had a terrible experience with the two brothers in the past where they burned" Comma after "past", I think "where" should be in which.
 * "However, Ai learns about it" Once again, that ambiguous "it".
 * "As Keith approaches, Mea tries to stop him from making the jump"-->As Keith approaches, Mea tries to stop him from jumping" Once again, ambiguous language. Jump to where? Dabomb87 (talk) 17:11, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll see if I can find someone from PRV, but i've not had luck there before for anime articles. I corrected the stuff you mentioned (plus some other stuff), minus the last one since by correcting the one before it, it should clarify what the "jump" refers to. じん    ない   20:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Sources
 * The titles of web pages should not be in all caps.
 * IMBD is generally not considered a reliable source.
 * Ref 16 needs a publisher.
 * Publications should be in italics; you can accomplish this by putting the publication (New York Times) under the  parameter in the citation template.
 * Anime News Network is inconsistently formatted; sometimes it is in italics and other times it is not.
 * The formatting of ref 6 is messed up. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:46, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * IMBD was used to back up ANN for Akio Watanabe's alias being Poyoyon Rock only. If you still believe it should be removed, I can easily do so. I think i've fixed the rest of the issues. じん    ない   03:58, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I would prefer for IMBD to be removed. Refs 7 and 14 still need publishers. Ref 12 still has Anime News Network not in italics, while the other instances of it are. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:37, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, i removed the IMDB ref. I noted the publsher on ref 13 (form 13) and italicized the last ANN cite. Ref 7 i replaced since it was from an unreliable source i missed. じん    ない   10:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

NM. じん    ない   17:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Citation date style is inconsistent:
 * "Popotan (TV)". Anime News Network. Retrieved on 2008-03-25.
 * "Popotan - Vanishing House (DVD 1)". Anime News Network. Retrieved on 2008.11.7. I have never seen this type of date formatting before. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:11, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Oppose
 * WP:ANIME says of the Anime News Network that "because the encyclopedia portion is user-edited, that information is not reliable by Wikipedia standards". This means refs 2, 3, 9, and 10 as well as the first general reference are all unreliable sources. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  21:14, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The first general reference was fine as long as it can be be checked as appropriate from other sites for English titles, which the DVDs themselves do. I do not have to, according to the guideline, put that in, but just be able to point out that the names can be verified by a second source. 2 and 3 fall under the 1st statement for which the names can also be verified by the DVD and the publication dates can be verified by Bandai visual's website, however because Anime News Network is considered reliable for those and WP:NONENG states English sources are better over non-English ones, then for this ANN is better.
 * For 9 abd 10, those are reviews which fall under "or news, reviews, and release information, ANN is a reliable source and close to being a newspaper of record for anime and manga." If you are disputing that, this is not the place to start an argument that would affect almost every article under WP:ANIME . Scratch that. I was thinking of the main article at the time. じん    ない   21:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually this is the place to raise it. They are considered reliable if the release, news etc. are within the http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release, or http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news areas. However the references you use are in the http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia area and this is not considered reliable as anybody can contribute this information. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  21:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The information for 2 and 3 and general info (which applies to episode titles) I can change to the DVDs if you insist, but per the description given, it seems to be okay. As air dates, that falls under WP:NONENG and also that the statement is generally considered reliable, but still needs to be backed up. Because NONENG also applies here, just being able to show that the information does exist on bandai and on TBS should be enough since both are non-English sources. It does not say that such a source needs to be backed up in the artilce itself, only that I can demonstrate that it does exist.

[...] However, because the encyclopedia portion is user-edited, that information is not reliable by Wikipedia standards. That said, it is the experience of this WikiProject that the ANN's encyclopedia can be used with care for certain kinds of information:

じん   ない   21:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Generally reliable but try to confirm these with a second source: production staff, producers/publishers, air/publication dates
 * Not very reliable and so use only with confirmation from other sources: biographical data, episode title translations
 * [...]
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