Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Popotan episodes/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Scorpion0422 00:45, 18 February 2009.

List of Popotan episodes
previous FLC (23:14, 20 January 2009) Rambo's Revenge notified

I have addressed all the issues that caused the list to fail last time including copyediting and finding sources that were requested. じん ない  19:14, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Note that I could not evaluate the foreign-language sources for reliablity. Having said that, what makes http://momoi.info/discography/under17/ reliable?
 * I removed it since when I put it on, it had been referenced by another reliable source, but it looks like that source has taken them off. It does not affect the article though as the remaining source can verify the statement. じん  ない  18:41, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ref 2 (official website) needs a publisher. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:23, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. じん  ない  18:41, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

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This list had definately improved from last time, however I still have some issues with it and so will not support just yet. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  14:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * "Between December 12, 2004 and March 22, 2005, it produced three DVDs each with four episodes.[17][18] A final box set was released on August 14, 2007, shortly before Geneon's demise.[18] Unlike the Japanese DVD releases, the English ones had no promotional content." The whole of this part is currently referenced only my refs 17 & 18 which (per previous FLC & WP:ANIME) are not considered reliable. I don't know what exactly parts are being referenced but this source might possibly help.
 * The episode numbers I cited from the dvd back cover. It's the release dates that are the problem because I cannot seem to find any press releases except on the 2nd DVD nor any coverage about the release dates except ANN for English market. I'm not sure where to look for the release dates for the 1st and 3rd DVD that would meet WP:RS. じん  ない  01:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually would Target Target #2 be considered a reliable for the release date? じん  ない  01:31, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I would consider it much more reliable. The fact that target.com has different DVD release dates from the list currently also strengthens my case for not using ANN. However the box set release date, "shortly before Geneon's demise", and "English without promotion content" still need sources. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  15:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I changes them to Target then. I will cite Geneon's demise statement later. Geneon's demise is cited. As for the "English without promotional content", i again ask you, how do you cite a negative? No one is going to say "This item doesn't come with promotional content." If it's a matter of just citing the DVDs themselves, i can do it with the appropriate template. じん  ない  17:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The general ref "Episode titles". Popotan (TV). Anime News Network. Retrieved on 27 October 2008. may be better suited to the external link section (due to its reliability).
 * I disagree here since it is being used for a secondary source for the episode titles rather than just the primary. Per the criteria for ANN it does say it can be used if it's backed up with another source. じん  ない  01:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Um okay. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  15:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * "which features character designs by Haruka Sakurai based on the original concept by Akio Watanabe,[2][3] under the alias of Poyoyon Rock,[4][5]" No comma in the middle I think.
 * Done with that point. じん  ない  23:09, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Rambo's Revenge (talk)</b>  15:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * More comments
 * What is currently citing the original airdates?
 * The director's homepage. The fact he poorly designs his webpage so you can't get back to the main page without manually editing the address is not an excuse not to cite it. じん  ない  17:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I meant the individual ones in the table not in the lead. Also for the lead the directors homepage only gives the dates in range YYYY-MM, whereas you include the DD which are not specified on the cite. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  10:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Currently the seperate references 15 and 16 are the same website. Should this be the case?
 * That was wrong. I accidentally cited it incorrectly. I changed the statement and will correctly cite the statement later. I have cited 4/6 from Getchu. If you think that's not enough, you'll have to wait until after the convention for me to cite the last 2. じん  ない  17:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

<b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  10:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Even more for when you're back
 * "indivisual DVDs" -> individual?
 * removed indivisual. Should sound better now. じん  ない  03:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Refs 20 & 21 look funny beacuse the inclusion of "[DVD]" in the title causes an error.
 * I corrected it in the least intrusive (to the title) as possible using nonwiki. じん  ない  03:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * General ref, and refs 5, 22, 23: Need a space between "Geneon,Long Beach,"
 * That is a template issue, not a FL issue. Geneon is in a seperate section to Long Beach, California. じん  ない  03:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I fixed the template, so this is no longer an issue. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  08:29, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Refs 8 & 16 are the same; 9 & 19 are the same.
 * Corrected. じん  ない  03:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Put the sentence about box set release into the paragraph above.
 * Done. じん  ない  03:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Inconsistent airdates: The lead says "October 3, 2003" but the table says "October 2, 2003"
 * Table is correct. I found 1 WP:V source citing July 31st which would help it conform to the weekly standard time. Unfortunately, www.popotan.com is missing a lot of dates for that time period and TBS doesn't keep info archived for non-current series for playtimes. じん  ない  03:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ref 24 seems to be dead (checked manually as Checklinks is down)
 * Changed it. The format was causing the broken link and it was not reliable anyway. じん  ない  03:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I have a convention to run this weekend so I'd ask you to give me until atleast monday before doing anything. じん  ない  17:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Right, it might be easier for you (and FL directors) if I summarise my thoughts on the above. Currently I'm going to have to oppose again. You have done some good work, and been prompt in addressing many of my concerns, however I still have one major objections which is: Sorry, but if this is not resolved I cannot support. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  10:27, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Update on my stance
 * Currently the all but one of the original airdates are not verifiable, you state the table is correct but that not good enough for WP:V (even if I believe you).
 * I believe you are putting undue weight on what WP:ANIME has said with reguard to airdates. That I was able to find at least verification for 1 air date and the fact that shows are done weekly should be considered WP:COMMON SENSE as i can't find anything to indicate that somehow Popotan was the 1 exception to the rule, I believe ANN does verify the information. じん  ない  19:21, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ANN actually contradicts what you said. It states that episode "4: All Alone" aired on the August 8, whilst your suggestion of a weekly pattern would imply August 7 (the date in the table). It is these types of inconsistencies that IMO validate my oppose. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  19:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Anyway after looking around I managed to find this page. That also confirms the first and last date at least. じん  ない  19:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)  じん  ない  19:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Just incase you question that site, it is listed as a valuable resource site that has a published version by Penn Library.
 * [EDIT] The site also lists the day of the week of the broadcast, 木, which corresponds to Thursday in English. じん  ない  23:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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