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List of Rugby Union World Cup hat-tricks

 * Nominator(s): NapHit (talk) 19:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Following on from the 2015 Rugby World Cup, I've decided to tak it upon myself to improve this list. After cleaning up the list I now believe it meets the criteria and is ready to be scrutinised by the community. One question I do have of reviewers is whether drop goals should be included in the list. Four players have scored a hat-trick of drop goals during RWC matches and I'm not 100% sure whether they should be included. Cheers. NapHit (talk) 19:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Comments: Nergaal (talk) 20:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Support, my comments have been addressed. Parutakupiu (talk) 10:27, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the definition of a hat-trick needs a reference in this case, as I do not think it is very obvious why dopgoals should count
 * I don't think a reference is necessary, the terms of hat-trick are defined in the lead. I also don't see how its not obvious why drop goals would count. If a player scores three in a match it's a hat-trick by default. NapHit (talk) 21:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Currently, the hat-trick article specifically refers only to tries. By your rationale penalty takers would get hat-tricks essentially every game. Right now your definition looks like OR. Nergaal (talk) 21:29, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Added reference which lists all drop goal hat-tricks in RWC. NapHit (talk) 12:24, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I think 4, 5, and 6 should be changed to T4, T5, and T6 to be more clear; maybe change D to D3 for clarity
 * Again, not sure this is necessary, as the key states what the markers refer to, so should it be clear. NapHit (talk) 21:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You do realize that right now they look like they are references?
 * Done it, as Parutakupiu mentioned this as well. NapHit (talk) 12:24, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * have colors for D and T entries?
 * I don't see the benefit of this when the D and 4,5,6 etc indicate which is which. NapHit (talk) 21:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * "multiple World Cup hat-tricks" => two WC ht
 * Done NapHit (talk) 21:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * the table feels unreferenced
 * It's referenced by the two general refs NapHit (talk) 21:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No it is not. The the reference refers strictly to tries/drops, not to 2+1 or 1+2 scenarios. And you can easily explicitly put the reference link in the |+ line of the table
 * I think this is a matter of taste, the table is referenced by the general refs, to say otherwise is stupid. A 2+1 scenario would not be a hat-trick, it refers to 3 of one method, there is no reference to anyone that scored 2+1 or 1+2 and it being referred to as a hat-trick. NapHit (talk) 12:24, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * "Of the Six Nations and Rugby Championship teams, only Italy have failed to score a hat-trick at the World Cup." maybe something like "All but Italy of of the 10 teams in SN or RB teams"
 * I think it reads fine the way it is NapHit (talk) 21:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Someone not paying attention to rugby would not know that there are 10 teams in the tier 1 competitions, which is what the current sentence is implying
 * Clarified this NapHit (talk) 12:24, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * rm "Other than the Six Nations and Rugby Championship teams," and add "are the only OTHER teams"
 * Done NapHit (talk) 21:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * "feat in the same match" maybe mention the year it happened
 * Done NapHit (talk) 21:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * not sure about including "two of Ellis's team-mates, Eric Rush and Jeff Wilson, also scored hat-tricks in this game"
 * Don't see anything wrong with it, it's not normal for three players to score three hat-tricks in a single match, so I think it's worth a mention. NapHit (talk) 21:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments, I've responded to them all. NapHit (talk) 21:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Replied further NapHit (talk) 12:24, 3 December 2015 (UTC)


 * The ref you put in specifically says HT of drop-goals. I think for the sake of clarity it would be much better to split the large table into tries and drop-goals. Also, there is no reference saying that 3 conversions or 3 penalties do not count as hat-tricks. Nergaal (talk) 19:21, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I'm not sure splitting the table is a good move. We have the markers indicating which ones were drop goals and there has only been four. I think it should stay as it is. You never here 3 conversions or penalties referred to as hat-tricks, it's just tries and drop goals as they come from open play. Look at any rugby match report where a players has 3 penalties or conversions, they're never referred to as hat-tricks. NapHit (talk) 10:36, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * But a hat-trick of drop goals is extremely rare IMHO compared to a "regular" hat-trick. Nergaal (talk) 22:43, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I completely agree a hat-trick of drop goals is a rare feat, I just don't think this warrants there being separate tables for each. I think the way it is now works well and allows the reader to sort all hat-tricks together, which is more useful than having two separate tables. NapHit (talk) 19:05, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Do you have any more to add ? Have your comments been addressed? NapHit (talk) 22:01, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * At least use a background color for D3 and D5. Nergaal (talk) 01:18, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've added colour now, thanks. NapHit (talk) 10:43, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support although I still have reservation about merging drop goals with tries. Nergaal (talk) 22:08, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support As with, I don't see how 3 drop goals and 3 tries are considered the same thing, but apart from that, I think it's good enough for a FL. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:28, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

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