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List of Taylor Swift live performances

 * Nominator(s): Ippantekina (talk) 02:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

This list covers the live performances of Taylor Swift, who has recently become the first artist to headline a $1 billion-grossing tour. Kudos to for assisting with removing NONRS. Ippantekina (talk) 02:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Would this still qualify for deletion to quality despite that the person who nominated it for deletion was the FL nominator? 48JCL  TALK  20:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The consensus at the AfD was keep so I really don't see the issue. Ippantekina (talk) 04:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Pseud 14

 * Swift's sixth studio album, Reputation (2017), was supported by negligible television performances -- suggest an alternative wording for negligible, or perhaps since she did little TV performances, you can lead into the Reputation tour directly.
 * It is the first concert tour in history to surpass $1 billion in box score revenue. -- maybe some wording here can be piped to List of highest-grossing concert tours, since it is a notable record and one she currently tops.
 * In the "Concert tours" table, I don't think we need to link the countries/territories (per MOS:OL)
 * In the reference column for all your tables, I would update the abbreviation to "Ref(s)" since it is written as "Reference(s)" when hovered.
 * Great to see this is finally on FLC. Nice work. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Image review: Pass
 * Image has alt text
 * Image appropriately licensed
 * Image has succinct caption and relevant to the article. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi I've addressed all of your comments except the links to countries. I think while it makes sense to not link "common" countries like U.S., England... there are also "lesser-known" ones like Wales, Northern Ireland... so I decide to link them all to avoid potential demographic biases. Ippantekina (talk) 06:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That seems reasonable. Maybe just a minor nitpick but not a deal-breaker. Pseud 14 (talk) 13:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Support. Pseud 14 (talk) 13:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Aoba47

 * For the lead's first sentence, shouldn't it be (American singer-songwriter Taylor Swift) rather than (The American singer-songwriter Taylor Swift)? Something about the use of the determiner seems off to me, but I could be wrong though.
 * This list and all other articles within the T.Swift WProject adhere to WP:FALSETITLE, which is not an official MOS but a very helpful guide. Ippantekina (talk) 02:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I am still not a fan of it, but I believe this falls under personal preference so it will not hold up my review. Aoba47 (talk) 12:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I switched it up a little. Ippantekina (talk) 07:26, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. Aoba47 (talk) 21:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * For the lead's second sentence, I do not think "various" adds much and can be cut as the focus seems to be more on the different venues where she has performed.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 07:26, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * This is super nitpick-y so apologies in advance but I would use "television" rather than the acronym in this part (as well as on TV and radio). I would do the same for the "TV shows and specials" section heading.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * A link for opening act may be helpful.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Taylor Swift albums discography is linked twice in the lead.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The lead makes a point that The Red Tour was her last tour as a country artist, but it does not specify what genre she transitioned to after that for her subsequent tours.
 * While I found no sources that described the 1989 Tour as a "pop tour", I added something about the genre shift. Ippantekina (talk) 05:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I doubt that the countries need to be linked in the tables as most readers would be familiar with these areas. This kind of thing is brought up in MOS:OVERLINK. Also, since the table is sortable, there are instances where the first time the country appears is not linked. I would limit the links more so to cities and more specific areas like that. I respectfully disagree with your above "potential demographic biases" argument.
 * I responded above to Pseud14 who has the same concern. Ippantekina (talk) 02:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I did see that response, and your argument there does not convince me. Aoba47 (talk) 12:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * While thinking this over further, this should not be a big deal since it was not a major concern for any of the other reviewers here. Aoba47 (talk) 14:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The linking for the tables is inconsistent. The award shows, such as the American Music Awards, are linked in every instance, but the television shows, like Good Morning America, are only linked on the first instance. On top of that, since the table is sortable, readers may encounter an unlinked term before getting to the actual link. To account for that, I would think that everything would need to be linked. Other examples of this would be Rascal Flatts being only linked once in the "As opening act'" table or the song titles only being linked once.
 * Awards shows are linked to the yearly ceremony and thus each link is different. Ippantekina (talk) 02:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Apologies for that, and thank you for your clarification. I should have checked the awards links more thoroughly. That being said, my other point still stands. Since the tables are sortable, it cannot be controlled which entry a reader may encounter first. Things like songs are currently linked on only the first instance if no sorting is done, but if a readers does sort, they may through multiple, unlinked entries before getting to the link. As I said above, I would think that every item would have to linked in each instance to account for this. Aoba47 (talk) 18:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It makes sense as WP:DL does say that duplicate links are allowed in tables. I'll implement this shortly! Ippantekina (talk) 04:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Why is the performed songs portion blank for the University of Phoenix Stadium entry? I have the same question for the Country Radio Seminar entry later on.
 * That is because the cited references do not include this information. Ippantekina (talk) 02:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification. Aoba47 (talk) 12:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * For the One World: Together at Home part, I would include a note that it was done virtually and also include where she filmed her performance if it is known.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 04:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I would be consistent with either using title case or not in the citation titles.
 * Should be done now. Ippantekina (talk) 05:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Citation 27 (here), Citation 28 (here), Citation 31 (here), Citation 32 (here), Citation 33 (here), Citation 35 (here), Citation 49 (here), Citation 138 (here), Citation 227 (here), Citation 255 (here), and Citation 265 (here). are no longer active. The CMT ones in general seem to have issues as most just redirect to the home page.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 04:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Citation 55 (here) should specify that it is in Japanese.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 04:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I would avoid putting words in all caps like in Citation 71 (here).
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 04:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * For Citation 79 (here), I would use the press release citation formatting instead.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 04:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Citation 121 (here), Citation 123 (here), Citation 133 (here), Citation 154 (here), Citation 220 (here), Citation 247 (here), Citation 248 (here), and Citation 275 (here) are missing the authors. I would honestly check all of the citations without author credits for this. I also believe that Citation 275 should be Time not Time Magazine.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 04:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Citation 163 (here) is still active for me so I do not think the archived version needs to be used. Same for Citation 166 (here) and Citation 274 (here).
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 04:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The archive for Citation 224 (here) does not support the information provided. Also, the song title should be in single quotation marks as it is presented in the citation title.
 * Citation 231 (here) requires a subscription. That should be noted in the citation template. I would make sure any other instances of this are noted as well.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 04:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I am sorry, but I oppose this list for promotion, primarily because of errors in the citations. I have also noticed inconsistencies with how linking is handled in the tables, which would not be as big of an issue by itself. Apologies again, and I would be more than happy to revisit this review once my comments are addressed. You have always done great work so I hope that this does not come across as too harsh or anything overly negative. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I believe your points are actionable and will act on them. In the meantime I've replied to some of your points above. Ippantekina (talk) 02:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Take as much time as you need. I have replied to your responses above. Aoba47 (talk) 18:57, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi for the refs. could you kindly specify the article revision that you reviewed so I could better keep track of them? Ippantekina (talk) 04:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Apologies for not including this earlier. I honestly did not think of doing that, but it makes sense as things will likely change during revision. I believe this version was what I was looking at during the time of this review. Aoba47 (talk) 15:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your patience. I believe I've addressed all points that you raised above :) Let me know if anything remains unsatisfactory. Ippantekina (talk) 05:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for responding to everything. It all looks good to me. My only remaining point is that the citation for the first Nova's Red Room performance does not support the songs. The archived citation (at least for me) goes to an overview of different articles on the site. I do see a link to an article about her performing "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" there, but that does not appear to be archived. Once that has been addressed, I will be more than happy to support this FLC for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 16:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find a replacement ref anywhere so I'll remove that until a reliable source is found... Ippantekina (talk) 16:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I had a feeling that would be the case. I tried to either get access to a better archived version of the original source or to find a different citation, but I did not have any luck with either. Removing it would be the best option. I approach this kind of list as containing all of the notable live performances of a particular artist, rather than being an exhaustive list so since I think that it is okay that this performance does not make it due to a lack of a citation. I did not look through newspapers so maybe that would help, but I think this is the right choice for now.
 * Apologies for the long response, but I do support this FLC for promotion based on the prose and I have struck my oppose. Aoba47 (talk) 17:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I did look through Newspaper.com, ProQuest for potential news sources to no avail. I'll try to continue looking for a replacement ref anyways. Thanks so much for your constructive feedback :) Ippantekina (talk) 04:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I am just glad that I could help. Thank you for your patience with my review. Best of luck with finding a replacement reference. Aoba47 (talk) 14:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Comments (ec with last editor)

 * "She has additionally performed in various festivals, awards shows, benefit concerts, and sporting events" - unless usage in US English is different, I would suggest this should be "She has additionally performed at various festivals, awards shows, benefit concerts, and sporting events". Certainly in the variety of English spoken in my neck of the woods, one does not perform "in" a music festival.  But, as I said, maybe US usage is different......?
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 13:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * "which supports all of the albums in Swift's discography." => "which supports all of the albums in her discography."
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 13:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * "to surpass $1 billion in box score revenue." - box office revenue surely, unless this is a US usage of which I am unaware
 * "Boxscore" is actually a term used by Billboard but I removed it altogether as it might be jargon-y. Ippantekina (talk) 13:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Tour names starting with "The" should sort based om the next word in the name
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:48, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Any particular reason why the first three tables have the name of the event first and the dates second, and then suddenly it switches to the other way round?
 * I followed other examples like List of Lady Gaga live performances, and if I rationalize that myself, each concert tour (the content of the first 3 tables) is a combination of various concerts and hence the tour names being listed first makes more sense; plus dates are presented in rage so including them first is confusing imo. Meanwhile other events (TV, radio, awards) are one-off events so it makes more sense to sort it chronologically by including the event date first. Ippantekina (talk) 03:48, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Did she not perform any songs at "Trails West!" and some of the others, or is it just unknown what she performed? If the latter, I would suggest putting "unknown" or similar, as the dash honestly looks like it means "none"
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 04:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Is there any value in that songs column being sortable given that it will only ever sort based on the first song listed?
 * I can think of the number of songs but that is not the most helpful. Do you think the "Performed song(s)" column should be unsortable? Ippantekina (talk) 13:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * TV show titles starting with "The" should sort based om the next word in the name
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 13:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Why are some of the benefit special titles in italics and others not? For example, Children In Need (a UK telethon) is in italics but Stand Up to Cancer (also a UK telethon) is not
 * As Stand Up to Cancer is a telethon I italicized it. Other concerts were not broadcast on TV/radio so they're not italicized :) Ippantekina (talk) 04:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Chris, thanks for the comments. I've replied to your points above. Ippantekina (talk) 07:22, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Apologies, one thing I missed. TV show titles should also sort based on the next word if they start with "The".  Currently this seems to be the case for some but not all -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think I got that sorted out. Could you double-check? Ippantekina (talk) 10:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Source review
Most sources in the article are reliable. Some are acceptable primary sources (i.e. iHeartRadio source to confirm a show at the iHeartRadio Music Festival). Some are long-established local newspapers related to the city where Swift played. However, there are some sources that don't appear to be reliable at a first glance.
 * PopCrush is listed as unreliable at WP:A/S.
 * Is it possible to replace Bustle, Newsweek, and Us Weekly with better sources? They aren't considered generally reliable per WP:RSPSOURCES.
 * What is the reliability of the following sources: Linfonerealtv, The Boot, Pure Charts, British Comedy Guide, and Canoe.com?
 * Swapped Linfonerealtv with Cosmopolitan
 * The Boot is published by Townsquare Media who also publishes music review sites listed in Metacritic like BrooklynVegan and XXL. Writers that contributed to The Boot include Annie Zaleski for example Ippantekina (talk) 16:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Pure Charts (fr:Charts in France), British Comedy Guide and Canoe.com are all news portals so they should suffice in their usage as reports on live appearances. I don't see issues with them. Ippantekina (talk) 16:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Skyshifter  talk  21:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I haven't done spotchecks, but I checked one source, [37], and it doesn't confirm the August 18, 2007 date.
 * Swapped with another source. Ippantekina (talk) 16:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll get back to you asap. My preliminary comments are that while Bustle, Us Weekly are not the most reliable for BLP or commentary, in this usage as reports of popular culture they should suffice. Ippantekina (talk) 03:05, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey @Ippantekina. No rush, just following up on a number of FLC comments at the moment. Just pinging to see if the concerns have all been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * hey, I've responded above. Let me know if anything needs further adjustments :) Ippantekina (talk) 13:06, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Since Skyshifter didn't do spotchecks, I used a random number generator to check 10, and found some consistent problems:
 * 23, 67, 218, 236 - good
 * 72, 125, 155, 189, 248 - does not explicitly state the date
 * 48 - does not explicitly state the date, does not say it's part of the Fearless tour, implies she sang more than the two songs listed

I do believe that the information given is accurate; why wouldn't it be. But over half of the randomly selected refs don't actually say the date for the event they're citing, as far as I can see, which I feel is problematic. Please see what you can do to address this in general (presumably this is an issue for more than just these specific refs). -- Pres N  00:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Generally news coverage of awards shows/TV like 72, 125, 155 are published pretty much immediately after the events happen; of course articles that explicitly mention the dates do exist so I hope to find alternatives asap. 48 does imply she sang more than the 2 songs listed but since it doesn't say more, why would we include more; plus the "Part of the Fearless Tour" is cited by ref 35. Ippantekina (talk) 16:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)