Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of The Office (US TV series) episodes


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 05:44, 4 October 2008.

List of The Office (US TV series) episodes
I believe that the issues from the previous FLC were resolved in the PR. Specific comments are very welcomed. Nergaal (talk) 22:11, 14 September 2008 (UTC) Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:09, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments


 * Please see how List of Lost episodes displays episode lists. It transcludes them from the other articles; please do the same here. The reasoning behind this is so that changes made to the separate seasons will affect the main list, so only one edit needs to be made. Gary King ( talk ) 18:05, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand you really don't want to allow me to get this as an FL, but this is getting ridiculous. You gave completely opposite reasons for opposing last FLC which took +100 edits to resolve and were still not helpful. Now you are trying to throw an oppose for the sake of it AGAIN. You should also notice what other comments were made during the last FLC and notice that this format is accepted (check the Simpsons list of episodes if you are paranoid and don't trust me). Nergaal (talk) 21:54, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I checked a few and noticed that they don't all do that – although most do have the descriptions on the page itself because they aren't notable enough to have separate season pages. Simpsons FLC was promoted over two years ago; Lost was last year. I'd still think that the rationale makes sense; perhaps not a requirement, but would be nice for it to be done. Gary King ( talk ) 22:07, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The previous FLC I was told it is fine. In this case anyways, linking from subarticles would (1) make the article huge again; (2) not add anything necessary that is not covered now (except for the 5th season which is unstable anyways). Please show me where else has been your rationale used for opposing a FLC. Nergaal (talk) 22:13, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What I meant was to transclude the season tables but exclude the descriptions, so that only the Title, Director, Writer, Original US air date, and Prod. code information were included. Gary King ( talk ) 22:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How do you translude without descriptions, without clogging the original page to a point where it looks ridiculous. Nergaal (talk) 22:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I would undoubtedly agree with transclusion. And I don't believe either Gary or myself "don't want to allow [you] to get this as an FL", rather it's just the best way of doing things.  Mastrchf  (t/c) 22:20, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a slightly longer story with Gary and I. And to me, opposing only because of a transclusion issue does not sound like a friendly & constructive comment. Nergaal (talk) 22:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Please Assume Good Faith on my part. I have opposed many other FLCs; this one is no different. I am involved in this FLC because I was interested in a long time in getting this article to FL status and now that that is possible, I would like to see it at its best. I have also commented before on your previous FLCs without opposing when I didn't feel that the issues were problematic enough to hold the nomination back. Anyways, back to the question at hand. Please check the Lost episodes article and the respective seasons articles to see how it is done; I am certain it will be clear to you once that is done. Gary King ( talk ) 22:59, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ←they use and I have no idea what ":" does. Nergaal (talk) 01:25, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Without a namespace before it, ":" resolves to article space. Without that, all you get is a regular template. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 22:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

If it hasn't been addressed already, I will carry out the transcluding if noone else knows how to do it. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have experimented a bit but I got stuck. So yes, please. Thanks, Nergaal (talk) 01:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅. I had to edit Episode list/The Office, because you were using the  field but hadn't included it. When I did include it, it forced it so that every entry that didn't need it, now did. I had to change it one last time so that it only included it when it was needed, but unfortunately, my edit got rid of the alternating light grey. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thanks Matthew! Gary King ( talk ) 14:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks! Nergaal (talk) 23:32, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There is actually one problem now, and that is the writers and director entries are switched. I tried to fix it but I couldn't. Nergaal (talk) 18:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * NP, I know what the issue is.. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 19:15, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅. Please check that that's right now. If it is, the writers/directors columns for The Accountants and Kevin's Loan need switching for consistency
 * Also, put the years in the heading for season five, since they're there for all the other seasons. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 19:21, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for spotting those. Somebody has been playing with the Season 5 section... Nergaal (talk) 20:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:19, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Please unlink part dates as in "The webisode series began its run on July 10, 2008, and ended on July 31, 2008. And be aware that the MOS no longer requires dates to be linked, in fact it is depreciated except for in certain circumstances
 * "although she appeared in the sixth episode, Branch Wars," Episodes should be wrapped in double-quote marks
 * "Oscar, Stanley and Darryl also participated." Are these actors or characters? Either way, "appeared" would be better
 * "The list is ordered by the episodes' original air dates and not by the production code numbers provided by NBC's official episode guide—which show the order in which episodes were filmed." I think the emdash is overkill here. They're usually used to provide a sharp break in the flow of sentences, but a comma would do, I think
 * Why is Victor Nelli redlinked?
 * Everything else should be done except for the redlink (because it is not unlikely that an article will be created about him at some point). Nergaal (talk) 03:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Reluctant oppose (moved to Support see below) Rambo's Revenge (talk)  22:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments:
 * The series premiered on March 24, 2005 in the US - "U.S." per WP:MOSABB, as used in the article's title.
 * That same link says when "UK" is used, "US" should be; however, "UK" is only used twice here, and "United Kingdom" isn't. The first "UK" needs changing, and the "US" in the intro should be changed to "United States". In the tables, "Original US air date" could be "Original air date" without any harm. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 15:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * On this note, I think the article should be moved to List of The Office (US TV series) episodes. Gary <b style="color:#02b;">King</b> ( talk ) 17:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it ok to move it during the nomination? Nergaal (talk) 18:36, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah; if the article is moved then move this nomination page as well, and update the nomination transclusion on WP:FLC. Gary <b style="color:#02b;">King</b> ( talk ) 18:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait, wait, wait. Read WP:MOSABB - "U.S." but "UK". I do believe I was the person who actually moved The Office (US TV series) to The Office (U.S. TV series) a while ago on this basis. I'm proposing a move back. — 97198 (talk) 01:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, yeah, that link doesn't say what I said it did. I was thinking of WP:MOS which says: "In a given article, if the abbreviated form of the United States appears predominantly alongside other abbreviated country names, for consistency it is preferable to avoid periods throughout; never add periods to the other abbreviations (the US, the UK and the PRC, not the U.S., the U.K. and the P.R.C.)." If "UK" became "United Kingdom" on both usages, either "U.S." or "US" would be fine. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * In terms of the article title, though, it's my understanding that "U.S." is preferred over "US"; there are no other country abbreviations within the title. — 97198 (talk) 06:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * From what I understand "US" is preferred. I think there's a slow change from "U.S." to "US" as it's beginning to slowly become accepted that the periods are unnecessary as it's fairly obvious in most cases that these are acronyms. Gary <b style="color:#02b;">King</b> ( talk ) 14:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * and as of September 2008, 66 original episodes have been broadcast - I'd personally put in a comma after "and", with the commas acting kind of like brackets. Not sure if that makes sense to anyone else! Not a big deal, anyhoo.
 * A fifth season has started airing in fall 2008 - specify time of year using months not seasons per WP:SEASON. I live in Australia and it'd be hard enough for me to figure out the time of year that was even if I was in the right hemisphere!
 * A fifth season is expected to debut on September 25, 2008 - needs updating, we're in October now.
 * Should "The Accountants" be italicised or in quotes? I'd italicise it, but the lead uses quotes, as does the summary, but the subheading (title) uses italics. Should be consistent, either way. Same issue with "Kevin's Loan".
 * All the seasons' tables use colours to match those in the series overview, but season 3 is blue in the overview and grey in its section... ?
 * Pam's storyline overview for season 1 is basically "trying to deal with Michael's insensitivities and flubs" - correct me if you disagree, as you're probably more familiar with it than I am - but I'd say the more overarching part of her storyline was her relationships with Roy v. Jim. I see that's more detailed under season 2... Your thoughts?
 * the only time Roy is mentioned is at the end of the season. And Pam is not quite interested in Jim, but rather Jim in her. Nergaal (talk) 23:48, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Broadband Program - Comedy - endash, not hyphen per WP:DASH.
 * the webisodes became a point of argument for the Writers Guild of America for their strike - technically, the WGA is an "it", not a "they" as we're referring to a physical organisation not a bunch of writers.
 * creator of ABC series Alias, Lost, and the movie Cloverfield - why specify "ABC"? Stations aren't specified for Buffy or Firefly, and aren't needed, either. Also, "film" is a little more formal than "movie".
 * The entire third season was given an 85 out of 100 on Metacritic with 85% positive reviews and Universal Acclaim - I think people can't really grasp the difference between Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic. You've described here what RT does, but Meta is different. Meta doesn't calculate the percentage of positive reviews; it calculates an average point-score. E.g. Critic A gives the season a score of 80/100 and Critic B gives it a score of 90/100 - Meta would assign the season a score of 85/100 if those were the only two reviews collected. That doesn't mean Meta collected 100 reviews and 85 were positive (which is what RT does).
 * Please take the freedom to edit it yourself, since I am not quite sure what you mean. Nergaal (talk) 23:48, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * How's that? — 97198 (talk) 01:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Season 5 lists the writers first with an ampersand (no-no for consistency) and then without an "and" at all (another no-no). Yes, it's picky.
 * ha? - about the first half Nergaal (talk) 23:48, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I mean, in the writers columns for each episode list/table/thing, "and" should be used for consistency - in season 5 there's an "&" that doesn't fit in and there's one with just commas and no "and". — 97198 (talk) 01:55, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You should purge your cache. Nergaal (talk) 02:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That's all I've got to say, really. Overall, it's a nice article but just needs a few improvements. — 97198 (talk) 06:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * except for the three replies, everything should be fixed now. Nergaal (talk) 23:48, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.