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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 19:57, 12 November 2011.

List of Tranmere Rovers F.C. managers

 * Nominator(s): U+003F? 09:16, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list as part of a fun mission getting the Tranmere family of articles to a better standard (than the team). This list recently had a positive peer review, and seems of a comparable standard to lists on Liverpool and Birmingham (unlike the team). Hope you enjoy the read! U+003F? 09:16, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Support All my concerns have been satisfactorily dealt with and I'm happy the list is of featured quality. Well done NapHit (talk) 12:42, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment
 * Opening sentence, we know its a club from its full name, so the rest of it doesn't make sense. And a club is a collective word, hence shouldn't be plural. Try, "Tranmere Rovers Football Club was founded in 1884, and was/is based in Birkenhead, Wirral."
 * I disagree with the second half of your comment. The discretionary plural is commonly applied to sports teams in British English. Whilst I don't think either form (singular or plural) is more correct, I tend to prefer Tranmere/the club/the team are... U+003F? 21:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * though the directors continued to pick the team --> What is the significance of this phrase? Were the directors supposed to be involved in picking a manager also? Its not clear.
 * Changed to "continued to choose the team for each game". Is that clearer? U+003F?</tt> 21:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * where they were, again, founder members --> you don't need the commas here. works fine as a continuous sentence
 * done <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 09:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * he introduced an all-white strip --> This is not clear, was it the cloths or mascot or waht?
 * Replaced strip with kit, is that more clear? <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 21:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * and making 241 appearances --> appearances as?
 * Reordered sentence for clarity. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 21:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Betweem Aldridge and Parry, there seems to be no mention of the intermediate managers? What did they do wrong?
 * I don't think it's necessary to mention all the managers. As it stands, the history focuses on those who've won something. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 21:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Why is the "To" column not sorted?
 * done <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 09:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * There should be a heading for the column containing references to the statistics.
 * done <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 09:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * 1913–4 --> 1913–14
 * done <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 09:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Check the date ranges in the notes section. 1939–1942 should be 1939–42.
 * done <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 09:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * In the references, what is "Footy Mad"?
 * See response to NapHit comment above. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 21:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * done <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 09:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * What makes tranmererovers a reliable source?
 * Do you refer to tranmererovers.co.uk, currently used in three refs? That's the club's official website, so it's hard to see how it could not be reliable for info on the club...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Finally, alt text for Image:Bert_Cooke.jpg is wrong. Please see WP:ALT. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 19:09, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Plumped for <tt>|alt=refer to caption</tt>, but am not certain this is any better. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 21:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It was changed to <tt>|alt=Black and white photograph of a man wearing a flat cap and a suit</tt>, but I think this is wrong too, as per the context example. Anyone with more experience of alt text know the right way? <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 13:39, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Changed to <tt>|alt=Black and white photograph of Bert Cooke</tt>. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 12:12, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Righty-ho. Thanks for all the comments, I've dealt with your criticisms as best I can. Are there any outstanding issues? <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 20:48, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey U+003F, sorry for returning sooooo late to the nomination. i had personal issues to deal with and was on leave. Anyways, I can surely support the nomination, seeing that my comments are dealt with and I did not see any other errors. TRM or DAbomb, you can close this now. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 06:18, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * What makes Historical Football Kits (ref 17) a reliable source?
 * I would argue that the site has a comprehensive and well-researched kit history for all British teams. But I don't know how to be certain of its reliability, other than the rather tame note that it's used on other featured pages (such as Arsenal F.C.) But if it's not good enough, I could change "these have been Tranmere's usual colours since" to a weaker statement about these being Tranmere's colours today. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 09:28, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * HFK creator David Moor is a published author on the subject of football kits (see here) - does that help at all....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:19, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Not 100% sure one way or the other. I think I'll leave this out so other reviewers can have a look.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 21:14, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Please don't strike a reviewer's comments before they've had a chance to look at the changes. It goes against FLC instructions and creates problems if further work is needed on an issue (it happens more than you'd think).  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 18:04, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Live and learn. Thanks (and thanks for the suggestions). <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 09:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

And thanks to you too for taking the time to read through the list, and for your valuable suggestions. Are any further changes needed? <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 20:48, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

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 * Support <strong style="color:green;">Arsenikk <sup style="color:grey;">(talk)  08:35, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support good work after PR and this FLC, and a pleasure to work with you. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:10, 31 October 2011 (UTC)


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