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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 23:32, 30 September 2017 (UTC).

List of Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 TV series) episodes

 * Nominator(s): PanagiotisZois (talk) 20:56, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

As the title suggest, this is a list for the episodes of Transformers: Robots in Disguise, the sequel series to Transformers: Prime. The show's first season aired its 26 episodes during 2015 and the second one had 13 eps in 2016. Later that same year, a 6-episode miniseries featuring Starscream was aired. The show is currently on its third, and hopefully not final, season. I worked on this page mostly by looking at other F-episode-L like Avatar and Eve. PanagiotisZois (talk) 20:56, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Aoba47

 * I would recommend adding ALT text for the logo. I would also add a caption specifying what it is for an uninformed reader/to avoid potential confusion (i.e. writing The logo for Transformers: Robots in Disguise as the caption).
 * I added an ALT text; I hope it's good. But I'm not too sure about adding a caption. I've seen other episode lists which include the logo and none of them seem to have a caption for it.
 * Thank you. Makes sense to me. I will leave the caption part up to other reviewers to comment on; I am fine either way as I think the meaning and usage is clear even without a caption. Aoba47 (talk) 16:05, 14 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I would move the information from the note to the actual lead itself, as the part about it debuting on March 14, 2015 is not necessarily accurate if it was released officially prior to this date.
 * ✅ Though I might have to rewrite it to fit in better.


 * The bit in the note about Canal J needs a citation.


 * I am a little confused by the phrase (his Minicon pupils Slipstream and Jetstorm, and Windblade.). Are you separating Windblade from Slipstream and Jetstorm as he is not one of the Minicon pupils? If so, then a short descriptive phrase in front of Windblade may be helpful for context. A brief descriptive phrase in front of Drift may also be helpful for how he fits in the context of the series.
 * ✅ She's not. I was hoping the comma would help distinguish her from Drift and his minicons. Added in a description about Drift as well as Windblade.


 * For the phrase (began airing in 2016), use the exact date.


 * You use the phrase "the Bee Team" in the third paragraph, but it is never made clear what this means or who constitutes the team exactly. Some context would be helpful here.
 * ✅ Added that Bee Team is the name for Bumblebee's team. I guess for outside viewers the word Bee must be somewhat confusing.


 * Please include in the lead any information about the DVD releases.


 * Shouldn't the original air date for the first 13 episodes be December 31, 2014 according to your note as that is when they were first made available/shown? Just wanted to clarify this as the date listed could be correct, as it depend on how you define "air date".


 * Look through the episode descriptions and make sure that all of the cases of "they" are clear. For instance, in this phrase (While Bumblebee works to get Grimlock to trust them, they must work together), I have no idea who "they" is referencing.
 * In the "DVD releases" section, "Season 4 (2017)" should be "Season 3 (2017)".
 * ✅ Crap, don't know how I missed that.


 * In the same section, I would remove "Region 2" if there have not been any releases made in that region.
 * ✅ Though I'm hoping they'll start releasing them in Europe cause I'd like to buy some. :P

Great work with this list. Once my comments are addressed, I will support this. Aoba47 (talk) 14:41, 14 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I will support this as I believe that all of my major concerns have been addressed. Aoba47 (talk) 04:21, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Comments by Slightlymad
The prose is well-written already, but I did a minor copyedit for unneeded links, spelling and punctuation, and use of contractions which is a discouraged practice in encyclopedic writing per MOS:N'T. The following are my thoughts on the list:


 * Oh my, refs 66-70 are bare urls! I can't comment on the sources' reliability, though; I think a FL coordinator has got that covered.


 * Is there a reason why the Online shorts section is unsourced?
 * I tried finding sources for the rest of the video but I wasn't able to find them either on Facebook or YouTube. According to the Transformers Wikia, most of them were first uploaded on Hasbro's Transformers website but I checked there and unfortunately, none of the videos actually have upload dates. PanagiotisZois (talk) 14:11, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Well since this is a source-related issue, I will leave that to another reviewer; it is not too much of an issue to hold up my review. Slightlymad (talk) 15:10, 17 August 2017 (UTC)


 * There might still be contractions in the prose so just fix them yourself.


 * Substituting those N/As with this template will do nicely: None


 * Lots of inconsistencies on the date formats: for instance, the footnotes use the dmy format while the prose uses mdy. Don't you worry, I got this.
 * Thank you.

And that's it. I'll put this onto my watchlist so no need to ping me when they're done. Comments generally resolved, Supporting. Slightlymad (talk) 15:07, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. PanagiotisZois (talk) 15:41, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Freikorp
I'd be happy to support this now if it wasn't for the two un-referenced single sentence paragraphs at the end of the lead. I really think you need a citation for both of these statements, and at the very least they could be merged together to form a slightly larger paragraph. Considering how short this information is though I'd either try and flesh it out or merge it with an existing paragraph. Freikorp (talk) 00:43, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I merged the two sentences into a single paragraph as both of them were indeed too small by themselves. I also found a reference for Transformers: Cyberverse. Regarding the DVD releases, the release dates are at the bottom and as of now, only the first season (unfortunately) has been released on a single DVD box set. And only in the United States and Australia. PanagiotisZois (talk) 10:28, 13 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Support. Don't feel obligated, but I'm looking for comments on my FLC. Cheers. Freikorp (talk) 11:01, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Source comment
At this point, I'd advise the nominator to take a look at this thread, as a bunch of us were concerned about episode titles, directors, and writers not being cited in the list in question, which is similar to this one. I'd feel uncomfortable promoting the list if the information remains uncited; I'm willing to say that plot information can be assumed to be covered by a given episode, but for these items I'd want to see sourcing. Giants2008 ( Talk ) 21:16, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, just so I'm sure I understand what the discussion was about. You want me to find a source that cites the episodes' titles, directors and writers? Because something tells me it's gonna be near impossible. PanagiotisZois (talk) 21:27, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that the consensus from the thread was to cite the episodes directly (and correct me if I am wrong about this ). I just do not agree with that method personally, as it is already assumed that the episodes are the primary sources themselves, and it would also unnecessarily bulk up the references section. If this is to become the new standard for these types of lists, then I would imagine a large discussion and consensus would need to be developed in the future. Just wanted to help out a little with this. Aoba47 (talk) 13:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The clear consensus from that discussion was that some kind of reference should be provided for verifiability. I wouldn't say that there was a strong consensus in favor of a particular citation method, though. One user suggested citing the episodes directly; others suggested using general references for the purpose. The latter method was ultimately used, with references to episode lists from TV Guide and Futon Critic. This offered the advantage of having refs from third parties, and was less work for the nominator than citing all of the individual episodes would have been; it also didn't add much of the bulk that Aoba is concerned about. Perhaps this idea could be considered here? The delegates can do what they like and I'll support their decision, but I'm not planning on promoting the list myself if some sourcing is not provided. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 17:33, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I checked Futon Critic and it doesn't provide either the directors or writers of the episodes. Some episodes don't even have their own page there. As for TV Guide, for some reason I can't currently access the site as it's taking too long to load but if I'm not mistaken, that doesn't offer that information either. PanagiotisZois (talk) 19:43, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, there must be something reliable that can source such basic facts. The episodes themselves should suffice if nothing else is available, but the details really should be cited by something. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 20:25, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I just don't see why we need to cite the writers and directors when the episodes themselves provide that type of information in their credits. Depending on the show we're talking about we would need to add an extra 100 citations just for that and for old or obscure shows, it's likely meeting that criteria would be next to impossible and highly limit the number of pages who can become featured lists. So, unless citing directors and writers has 100% become a rule for features lists, I'm gonna have to decline following through with that suggestion. Besides, this is Transformers: Robots in Disguise we're talking about, not Game of Thrones. Even if I wanted to, which I did try, there just don't seem to be any reliable sources that provide such information. PanagiotisZois (talk) 22:51, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If we're going with the "general ref" precedent Giants is trying to set, the TV guide ref works fine for this- the information isn't all on one page, you have to click cast and then select which member you want and it tells you what episodes they worked on, but if that's fine elsewhere then it's fine here. I've added it, spotchecks work out, source review passed, lets get this off the bottom of the FLC list. -- Pres N  02:08, 30 September 2017 (UTC)


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