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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 22:32, 20 June 2009.

List of United States Military Academy alumni (engineers)

 * Nominator(s):  — Rlevse • Talk  • 01:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it is next in my series of US service academy lists.  — Rlevse • Talk  • 01:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well done, the topic seems hard to make a good list on, but it has a comprehensive lead and the table is sufficient, thus I support. No need for any color codes IMO (which I have been nitpicking over in the last few candidates I've reviewed). Hello32020 (talk) 12:43, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Support Comments  from
 * "The Academy was the first engineering school in the United States and the Academy still places a strong emphasis on the sciences and engineering." Too repetitive, try "The first engineering school in the United States, the Academy places a strong emphasis on the sciences and engineering."
 * "Army ranger" Shouldn't it be "Army Ranger" since it's an official title?
 * "for his for actions at the Battle of Malvern Hill though acutely ill" Suggest "for his for actions at the Battle of Malvern Hill despite acute illness" Dabomb87 (talk) 14:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * All fixed, and you missed that I had "for his for" ;-)  — Rlevse • Talk  • 00:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Support. I checked the references, checked for disambiguous links and spelling errors and I ran the page through the general edits of AWB and it came out clean. The one issue that I have is that it may not qualify due to 3a. since the list is incomplete. Other than that It seems good to go and I will let someone else decide the symantics of whether it meets FL without being complete.--Kumioko (talk) 03:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That's what the dynamiclist template is for. Lists such as this.  — Rlevse • Talk  • 10:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks, I changed my comments, learn something new everyday.--Kumioko (talk) 11:07, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Support It's certainly passable when a few things are fixed: a good list. I like the arc of the lead, where you focus the reader on the list itself only by the second para.
 * "of the United States' five service academies"—Saw someone call that a hissing apostrophe the other day (odd description); it's a little ungainly—please consider "of the five American service academies".
 * Done.  — Rlevse • Talk  • 21:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Why are words as terms (within quotes) given an initial upper-case letter (e.g., "Cadet")? The "official" endorsement, ref 1, leads to a page that doesn't confirm this usage (in which case can you specify in the footnote which part of that site does?).
 * Done. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 21:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * "its predecessors"—excellent use of a pipe (single word may have been misleading).
 * Done. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 21:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * "The first engineering school in the United States, the Academy places a strong emphasis on the sciences and engineering."—Two issues: we've been told already that it's the oldest ... is that the same? Second, the two ideas in the sentence don't really fit together—no logical connection, so a comma is not a sufficient boundary, I think.
 * CE'd. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 21:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * "remained" --> "was".
 * Done. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 21:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * End of first para: amazing claim, but I'm not doubting it. "the bulk of" could be "most of" if you want. (Bulk wheat)
 * Done. Makes sense since it was the only engineering school in America for so long.<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 21:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * "chiefs of engineers"—this came up last time. I think you might switch to lower case default for generic usage. See MoS: kings of France, but King Louis XIV. Same with "Class of".
 * I checked with a wiki user who is a West Point grad and instructor there. He says if you refer to the class itself, capitalize it, but if to someone's class, lower case. So, it should be "The class with the most generals was the Class of 1915" but "Joe Blow, class of 1915...". I will fix this in this list and my others later.<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 22:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 21:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Three-item list: "is fourth on the list of total winners for Rhodes Scholarships, seventh for Marshall Scholarships and fourth on the list of Hertz Fellowships." Can you make all three "for"?
 * Done. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 21:24, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Do we have a convention about where to place the "incomplete list" statement? I'd have thought at the bottom, but please correct me if not. It's just a bit negative at the start.
 * Don't know. The other lists that use it that I've done all have it in this spot, as do several others, and no one has said anything about it.<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 21:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Tony  (talk)  13:28, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment I've forgotten to mention this for all your previous alumni lists, but per WP:MSH, we shouldn't repeat the articles' titles in section headers. So, for example, "United States Military Academy engineers" should be "Alumni" or "Engineers". Dabomb87 (talk) 21:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, how can so many people miss something on so many lists?<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 22:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We're human, and don't have the multitudes of MOS pages memorized :) Dabomb87 (talk) 22:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This still needs to be remedied, even if it is an obscure rule no one ever cares about that was not enforced before. I'd be willing to make the changes in the other lists, if that's the reason for hesitation. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're going to enforce it, do it across the board, not just this list and not just the US service academy lists; you'd at least then be consistent. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 23:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Will do. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Question: Would you rather the section title reflect the occupation (e.g. "engineers", "academics", "MOH recipients") or just "Alumni"? Dabomb87 (talk) 23:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Alumni is too boring. So, engineers, MOH recipients, Chiefs of Naval Operations, etc. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 00:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed, please tell me if I've missed any article. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * List of United States Military Academy alumni (academics), plus whatever non-service academy lists. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 00:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Support All problems seem to be resolved. – ( iMatthew  • talk ) at 01:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
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