Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Vancouver Whitecaps FC players/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 18:42, 6 December 2012.

List of Vancouver Whitecaps FC players

 * Nominator(s): – Nurmsook!  talk...  04:42, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I went through this article and brought it up to a standard that is fairly consistent with other featured lists of this type. This list was modeled after List of Seattle Sounders FC players, which is a Featured List. Hopefully you will agree, but I am here for any changes necessary! – Nurmsook!  talk...  04:42, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Quick comment from me: Lee Young-Pyo should sort under "L", not "Y", as Lee is his family name.  Harrias  talk 09:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've made the change. – Nurmsook!  talk...  13:06, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Support TBrandley 21:31, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Support meets the criteria. NapHit (talk) 02:08, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Otherwise looks nice. Arsenikk (talk)  16:45, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Support on prose. Looks fairly strong. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:38, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Comments from Arsenikk (talk)
 * You are free to make the lead image larger, but please make it 300px so people who have set their default image size to 300px don't get a smaller image.
 * Could you link the names of players in the captions.
 * Although the first sentence contains a lot of important information, it is too long to read comfortably.
 * In my opinion, BC is obscure enough that it does not constitute a "major geographical designation" (per Crisco's comments above) and I support its linking. It is also directly relevant to the scope of the article rather than being mentioned in passing.
 * Could you mention that Vancouver is in Canada.
 * Digits and named numbers should not be mixed in the same sentence, so either "3 goalkeepers and 45 outfield..." or "three goalkeepers and forty-five outfield..."
 * Countries should not be linked; although tables are permitted to relink, they are still not permitted to overlink.
 * Please include a "total" row for caps and goals for the combined MLS and CC matches.
 * Any chance you could create a stub on Caleb Clarke? One missing red link draws down the table a little.
 * Thanks for the comments. I addressed all of the comments you made except for mentioning that Vancouver is in Canada (I think that this is addressed in the opening sentence, "Vancouver Whitecaps FC is a Canadian soccer club..."). I also left the countries all linked. Perhaps you can chime in more about this but in almost every FL players article similar to this that I have seen, the countries are always linked. If you could just elaborate on why the links need to be removed, I'll address that. – Nurmsook!  talk...  22:55, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't link countries because the MOS says so and because links to countries provide very little value. Take a look at Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates/Archive 16. WP:OVERLINK is very specific about countries being linked is not permitted except with good cause. Tables are allowed to repeat links, but unnecessary links cannot be introduced just because they are in a table. Do you not find it odd that 'Canada' is not linked in the lead, despite that it is of high context for the topic, while every nationality for every player is linked? Arsenikk (talk)  19:25, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I certainly see where you are coming from, but even in the brief discussion that you linked there really did not seem to be any consensus, considering the widespread use of this template in tables. If this is a true stinging point, a pass/fail point if you will, then I suppose the change might be necessary. However, when I look at current nominations, recent promoted FLCs, and existing FLs, there is a trend to stick with this (List of Queens Park Rangers F.C. players for instance). Because of that, unless other users think this is a stinging point, I'm going to follow their lead and IAR this, although it seems to me that regardless of the MOS policy, the consensus is that linking countries in this type of table is relevant, particularly when you consider that many of these players have international caps for those countries. That's just my opinion on the matter anyways; this issue never seems to be consistent. – Nurmsook!  talk...  20:27, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As Nurmsook says, there is no consensus for tables. The fairly recent CPJ International Press Freedom Awards also has all the countries linked, although admittedly some of the countries aren't very well recognised. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:51, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose for non-compliance with the Manual of Style. Arsenikk (talk)  22:19, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Does anyone else have any thoughts on this issue? Giants2008  ( Talk ) 18:12, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not too worried about the countries being linked. It's hard, in this case, to definitively state that Ghana or Malta or Gambia should be linked while Scotland and England and China shouldn't.  I'd suggest all are linked or none are linked.  And given how useful links to the former places may be for our global audience, I'd suggest linking all countries, as otherwise it'd look very strange.  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:34, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I've made my opinion clear above and at CPJ International Press Freedom Awards. All is fine, nothing is fine. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:56, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Support, looks a good list to me, and the prose is fine.  Harrias  talk 18:10, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
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