Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Veronica Mars episodes


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 18:59, 15 November 2008.

List of Veronica Mars episodes
Cornucopia and I have been cleaning this up for a while, and have recently concluded a peer review. Since Veronica Mars is off the air, the list is comprehensive and complete. We're seeking formal recognition for the list, and anticipate resolving any lingering issues in this process. Jclemens (talk) 04:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Support, looks great.-- Music 26/  11  16:53, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You need to offer more than that for it to carry any weight. Matthewedwards 00:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * "PCH biker gang" Write in full on first use, so that non-So-Cal residents what the PCH is Done
 * "Southern California seaside town" I've never heard "seaside" in So-Cal.. How about "coastal" or "beach"? Done
 * Use  and   from episode list for the series and episode numbers, which will negate "(1-01)", which doesn't make sense Done
 * I went ahead and deleted the (s-ep) numbering, since the airing order is consistent with the production code. Jclemens (talk) 03:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * episode list has been modified so that instead of using  and , you should use   and  . Entries will have to be reversed though, because it forces the Directors column to appear before Writers column Done
 * For the viewing figures, use  rather than , which will place them after the airdate. This makes more sense because the viewing figures occurred as a result of it airing. Entries will have to be reversed, don't forget Done
 * Episode summaries could do with being expanded. They seem more like teasers at the moment. See Plot_summaries and WP:PLOTSUM Done
 * Clarifying question: What's another article that you consider a good model for total length in plot summaries? Jclemens (talk) 01:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The_Simpsons (season 9), The_Simpsons (season 8), (any of The Simpsons lists, actually), The O.C. (season 3), Degrassi: The Next Generation (season 7), Blue Heelers (season_13), and The Office (US TV series) season 3 are pretty good. They've been promoted recently, so they'll indicate the lengths that are okay.
 * Degrassi: The Next Generation (season 1), List of Desperate Housewives episodes and List of Stargate SG-1 episodes were promoted some time ago and need a bit of attention. Matthewedwards 04:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Working on the tables now. Jclemens (talk) 04:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Regarding the plot summaries, do you mean that they are too short, or that some contain vague sentences. I think the length of the summaries are good as-is, it's just the vague parts that need to be cleared up. Is that reasonable?  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  06:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have increased the length of all summaries to two or more lines, and I have cleared up any vague sentences. Are the summaries fine now?  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  12:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Matthewedwards 00:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Understood. I'll get on those tonight. Jclemens (talk) 01:23, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

More comments
 * Please follow encyclopedic WP:TONE. "dad", "kid", "cops", and "couple of" should be "father", "student", "police (or sheriffs)", something more specific done
 * Specialist words such as "bumfights", should be wikilinked done
 * "who took pictures of her and sent them to her mother and the Moon Calf Collective" needs refactoring.. the pictures weren't sent to the Moon Calf Collective done
 * "Rap producer" sentence case done
 * "Veronica finds out that her mother left rehab, asks her to leave town." is not a complete sentence done
 * "bus' driver" --> "bus driver" done
 * That's all I've caught, you could try to enlist a copy editor from Peer_review/volunteers. I've also found User:Scartol and User:97198 to be good. Matthewedwards 00:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. I've gone through the entire list again and found and fixed several more issues.  How important do you judge the necessity of an outside copyeditor at this point? Jclemens (talk) 04:34, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Otherwise, very well done, well-constructed and well-organized. This list meets the criteria and is definitely worthy of promotion. Cheers. KV5 •  Squawk box  •  Fight on!  23:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As my comments have been resolved, I support this excellent candidate for promotion. KV5  •  Squawk box  •  Fight on!  01:47, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your review and kind words. Please let me know if I've missed anything. Jclemens (talk) 01:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments -
 * What makes the following reliable sources?
 * http://www.gpstore.com.au/News/Archive/9850.html
 * http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/799359
 * Both these sources are Australian DVD retailers. They are being used solely to support the DVD release dates in Australia.  Gameplanet is a retailer that has been in business since 2002. EZDVD since 1999. Absent any online catalog of DVD availability dates, this is the best evidence we've been able to find to verify release dates. The S2 DVDs also appear within the context of other DVDs for Australian release inSeptember 2008. Is that sufficiently reliable for this purpose? Jclemens (talk) 17:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.mediavillage.com/jmentr/2005/07/22/web-07-22-05/ deadlinked
 * Done restored via Internet archive. Jclemens (talk) 19:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Side-issue (not really) can you merge&redirect all the episodes to this list? The episodes, asides from the premieres and finales are completely not noticeable and should be only limited to this list. Nergaal (talk) 10:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I am currently working on the individual episodes, so they will be kept for now.  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  07:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments from SatyrTN
 * The only concern I have is that the final paragraphs probably belong in the main article, but not in the *list*. Other than that, the list looks good.
 * [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] Support this nomination. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:01, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Support but please add a hatnote-link for season 3 to this LoE. I am neutral on the inclusion of the the section "Cancellation and future". When/If all seasons get articles though, it can/should be reconsidered if each season intro in this LoE really needs to be this long (I am fine with this now as this LoE also serves as a season overview beyond its LoE purpose). – sgeureka t•c 08:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Understood. Ideally, we will be breaking out all three seasons and make corresponding changes to this list when those articles go live, too. Jclemens (talk) 17:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
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