Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of World Heritage Sites in Botswana/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC).

List of World Heritage Sites in Botswana

 * Nominator(s): 48JCL 15:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC) and Tone 15:21 15 June 2024 (UTC)

I am nominating this bcus it meets the criteria. JK this is another world heritage site. Thanks Tone for the format and letting me use it for consistency. Currently, WP:BW has no FLs so this would be really great to have. Took a long time to write. Third time here. All other times many FLCs fail, but of course third time’s the charm. Botswana has seven sites on the tentative list and two world heritage sites. yeah 48JCL 15:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Comments

 * MPGuy2824
 * Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting + caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting + instead.
 * Done
 * Try to incorporate some of the first sentence of the Tsodilo article into the description here.
 * Done
 * Wikilink quartzitic, endorheic
 * Endorheic done, quartzitic is a duplink
 * Add a centered emdash when an image isn't available.
 * Done
 * For every entry, the description should tell us why it is on the list. Ideally this happens in the first sentence. e.g. Why is Toutswemogala different from every other elongated flat-topped hill? The same issue exists with Gcwihaba Caves and Tswapong Hills Cultural Landscape to take two more examples.
 * Done
 * "The area is resembled through its stone age historic sites." What does this mean?
 * Resolved
 * One ref is missing an archive link.
 * Oops, done
 * That's it for now. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 15:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Add a centered emdash when an image isn't available. This isn't done yet.
 * "of kgosi (king) Khama III" - Should kgosi be capitalised? I'm in two minds.
 * Please ping me here when you are done with these. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * We are never using emdash in these lists when there is no image. I prefer to keep that consistent. As for kgosi, the article uses not capitalized but italic, which I will fix now. Tone 08:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @MPGuy2824, kgosi should not be capitalized (since it is merely a word, you do not say "so there is a King", you say "so there is a king") and as Tone mentioned above, the emdash is not used in lists where there is no image. 48JCL 12:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * kgosi or Kgosi: In this case the right equivalent would be "King Charles is", not "king Charles is".
 * emdash when there is no image: I've been asked to do this before during FL nominations, so we do this for lists. I take your point that it isn't used for the WHS lists, so you can skip this. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * done all 48JCL</b> 12:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Support on prose and table accessibility. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * 

done Removed per other flcs
 * EN-Jungwon
 * Some references use  and some use  . I checked other world heritage site FLs, and they use the publisher parameter. So I suggest changing all the   to.
 * is unnecessary for english sources.

Keeping it is not an issue and I'll support this list either way. --  EN  - Jungwon  13:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support --  EN  - Jungwon  01:43, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment Ah, you already nominated it, I thought you were planning to do it a bit later. Let me go through in a couple of days to check if there are any further tweaks from my side. As a side note, my typical cutoff for nominations are three sites on the main list, but maybe we can go to two because there are several tentative sites. --Tone 15:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Support from CMD
 * This is a short list, but is complete. The prose on the main list reads well. Taking a close look at the description for the two primary entries, they are written in their own words despite only having one source. The lead is short, but that is likely related to the small size of the list and it defines the scope and inclusion criteria.
 * On the tentative list, there are a few noticeable prose issues. I am not sure where "who coexist peacefully with the nature" comes from and it reads as reductive. "roam the place" does not read that professionally. It should not be implied that the "tuli elephant" is a species. I would also not pipe Mapungubwe Cultural Landscape, as the redirect does not help that much and an article could be (should be, probably) created there. The description for Gcwihaba Caves should probably be rewritten. I can't figure out the meaning of "The area is resembled through its stone age to historic sites. The region includes Acheulean tools, along with middle and late stone age tools". All said however, there are not part of the main list, so I'm not sure whether to give them equal weight, so tentatively support. If they could be given similar care to the main two entries, that would make it a clearer pass. CMD (talk) 05:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I am still going through the prose of the tentative sites, give me a couple of days ;) Tone 06:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * In the UNESCO database it is called the Mapungubwe Cultural Landscape <b style="color: #004d5c; text-shadow: 2px 2px 4px;font-family:Trebuchet MS">48</b><b style="color: #007d96; text-shadow: 2px 2px 4px; font-family:Trebuchet MS">JCL</b> 12:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I fixed the text to accurately describe what is the point. It is a proposed extension to the already listed site which is in South Africa. I will fix the remaining descriptions very soon, and then the article should be fine ;) Tone 13:03, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Alright, all text is fixed, please continue with the review. Tone 22:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, great improvement. I can see how the lead might be longer ala Madagascar, and am not sure about the emdash use mentioned above, but those may be improvements beyond the FLCR, changing to support. Best, CMD (talk) 01:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Source review – All of the references are reliable and well-formatted, and the link-checker tool turns up no concerns. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 21:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , is this a support? If not, are there any concerns on prose that need to be addressed? <b style="color: #004d5c; text-shadow: 2px 2px 4px;font-family:Trebuchet MS">48</b><b style="color: #007d96; text-shadow: 2px 2px 4px; font-family:Trebuchet MS">JCL</b> 23:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The sources were the only thing I looked at, so I'm not in a position to offer a full support for the FLC. I'll leave declarations to the other reviewers so I can keep the ability to close the FLC down the line, which I can't do after a support. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 21:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Image Review by Fritzmann Just one image with an issue, please ping when you have seen and responded. Thanks! Fritzmann (message me) 14:46, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * File:Animals Rock Art Tsodilo.jpg is a credible own-work that is properly licensed.
 * File:Okavango Delta.jpg is a credible own-work that is properly licensed as CC4.0.
 * File:Gnus zebras chobe national park.jpg is a credible own-work in the public domain.
 * ✅ File:KubuIsland 02.jpg is an import from Flickr listed as GNU Free License, but a look at the Flickr page says All Rights Reserved, and the image was not released under GNU or CC. I don't think this is licensed correctly on Commons. I recommend replacement with File:Baobabs on Kubu island, Botswana.jpg, which is properly licensed as CC2.0.
 * File:Okavango Delta.jpg is a credible own-work that is properly licensed as CC3.0 and GNU Free.
 * Thanks Fritzmann, mark it as ✅.<span id="48JCL:1721057975186:WikipediaFTTCLNFeatured_list_candidates/List_of_World_Heritage_Sites_in_Botswana/archive1" class="FTTCmt"> — <b style="color: #004d5c; text-shadow: 2px 2px 4px;font-family:Trebuchet MS">48</b><b style="color: #007d96; text-shadow: 2px 2px 4px; font-family:Trebuchet MS">JCL</b> 15:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks good, support. Fritzmann (message me) 15:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey man im josh (talk) 13:55, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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