Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of World Heritage Sites in Panama/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 25 August 2023 (UTC).

List of World Heritage Sites in Panama

 * Nominator(s): Tone 09:15, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Panama has 5 WHS and two tentative sites. The style is standard. The list for the US has just been promoted and the list for Pakistan is seeing some support already. This time I am nominating a bit shorter list because those two were quite lenghthy. Tone 09:15, 24 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * "The first sites in Panama added to the list were the Fortifications on the Caribbean Side of Panama: Portobelo-San Lorenzo, in 1980" - it's only a single site, so the verbs should be singular
 * "In 1978-1985, Panama has served as a member of the World Heritage Committee." => "Panama served as a member of the World Heritage Committee from 1978 to 1985."
 * "Most of the land is covered by tropical rainforests, however, there are also" => "Most of the land is covered by tropical rainforests, however there are also"
 * "The Costa Rican part of the site has been initially listed independently in 1983" => "The Costa Rican part of the site was initially listed independently in 1983"
 * "The area is a refuge for the species that have disappeared from the rest of Panama" => "The area is a refuge for species that have disappeared from the rest of Panama"
 * Think that's it -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:45, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Fixed all, thanks! Tone 09:02, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

FOARP

 * Is the sourcing all from UNESCO? It would be nice to see some sourcing from elsewhere to provide, e.g., the descriptions, to help support notability.
 * "This nomination is a proposed boundary and name modification of the site Archaeological Site of Panamá Viejo and Historic District of Panamá which was listed in 1997. The ruins of the Casa de los Genoveses in Panamá Viejo is pictured." - this isn't really a description of the site, is it? Seems to be more a description of the nomination.
 * Happy memories of going to the old fort at Portobelo in a rickety taxi from the cruise terminal at Colon for my honeymoon... FOARP (talk) 09:51, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * These lists typically use UNESCO references because they are the best to establish notability, and, in particular, reasons for inclusion on the list. As for the tentative list, sometimes it happens that the nominations are used to extend the boundaries, include additional sites, or, apparently, in this case to change the name. Which sometimes gets messy - if you see the 2017 nomination, it aims to include a bunch of sites, including the existing WHS, together. But, such are the sources :) Tone 10:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I think for featured status these places ideally should actually be described, if we have a section labelled "description". I do see there being coverage in other sources about these sites (e.g., this) that describe the locations where the description from UNESCO does not actually describe the site. Are there really no other sources that could be referred to? We should try to avoid have situations like the featured article about a totally non-notable (and un-named) baseball player that ended up getting deleted. For that, it would be great to have multiple sources giving significant coverage to the subject of UNESCO sites in Panama per WP:LISTN. FOARP (talk) 09:00, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The thing is, these sites are already described on the main list, so this would be repetitive. As for sources, we've agreed in the previous WHS lists nominations that the UNESCO sources are fine and superior to others. Tone 13:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, gotcha, you're right about the descriptions - I was thinking there must be some difference between the submissions but if one of them really was just a name-change/combination of others then fine, no need to describe. Regarding sourcing, it would still be better to use more than just one source if possible. If no other sources actually treat this topic as notable (but I think there probably are other sources that do) then you're putting a questions mark over the notability of the topic. FOARP (talk) 22:11, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. Sources. In previous nominations, UNESCO sources were typically considered sufficient since other sources are kind of derivative (reporting that something is listed because of ...) Let's see if there is any more input from other editors on this one. Tone 13:30, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @FOARP and @Tone, see my source review below. In my (unprofessional) opinion, the usage of only UNESCO sites is ok. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 00:30, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Comments by Dudley

 * "remarkably reach in biodiversity". presumably "rich".
 * It would be helpful to give the area of Darien and Talamanca.
 * I would prefer a photo of an animal in Darien, not a zoo photo.
 * "Despite being isolated for a relatively short time". Why has it been isolated and for how long?
 * "This serial nomination" What is a serial nomination? Dudley Miles (talk) 21:23, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Fixed all. The isolation appears to be because of the sea level rise, which is not in the original source, not is souced in the wiki article, so I rewrote that part. Thank you for checking! Tone 11:04, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. Looks fine now. Dudley Miles (talk) 11:18, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

No spotcheck necessary, will look at formatting/reliability. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 14:12, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Source review from MyCatIsAChonk

Support on sources - can't find anything wrong, very nice work! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 14:12, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Promoting. -- Pres N  13:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


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