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List of World Heritage Sites in Yemen

 * Nominator(s): Tone 09:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Yemen has 5 WHS and 9 sites on the tentative list. Four sites are listed as endangered, in particular because of the ongoing conflict. The style is standard. The nomination for Panama WHS is already seeing some support so I am adding a new nomination. Tone 09:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment
 * "The country served as a member of the World Heritage Committee in the years 1985–1991" => "The country served as a member of the World Heritage Committee from 1985 to 1991"
 * "The characteristic feature of the city are" - noun is singular but verb is plural?
 * "12-th century mosque, and a 15-th century hammam." - there should not be dashes in 12th and 15th
 * "The mosque and madrasa date to 1504 and is a masterpiece" - subject is plural but noun is singular?
 * "where new generation of artisans" => "where a new generation of artisans"
 * That's it! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment
 * "The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) designates World Heritage Sites of outstanding universal value to cultural or natural heritage which have been nominated by countries which are signatories to the UNESCO World Heritage Convention, established in 1972." -> "The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) designates World Heritage Sites of outstanding universal value to cultural or natural heritage, which have been nominated by countries signatories to the UNESCO World Heritage Convention, established in 1972."
 * "Natural features (consisting of physical and biological formations), geological and physiographical formations (including habitats of threatened species of animals and plants), and natural sites which are important from the point of view of science, conservation or natural beauty, are defined as natural heritage." > "Natural features (consisting of physical and biological formations), geological and physiographical formations (including habitats for threatened species of animals and plants), and sites that are important from the point of view of science, conservation or natural beauty are defined as natural heritage."
 * "As of 2023, Yemen has five sites on the list. The first site, the Old Walled City of Shibam, was listed in 1982." ---> "As of 2023, Yemen has five sites on the list. The first site, the Old Walled City of Shibam, was designated in 1982." (this is a recommendation, but you use the word "listing" a lot in this short text)
 * "All four cultural sites are listed as endangered." ---> "These four cultural sites are endangered. "
 * "Shibam and the Old City of Sana'a were listed in 2015 and Marib in 2023 due to the threats posed by the Yemeni Civil War." > "Shibam and the Old City of Sana'a were listed in 2015 and Marib in 2023 due to Yemeni Civil War threats."
 * "The country served as a member of the World Heritage Committee in the years 1985–1991." ---> "The country served as a member of the World Heritage Committee in 1985–1991."


 * I'll review the remaining text over the weekend. Good list, like the topic - something different from the rest! :) --TheUzbek (talk) 13:00, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I have to say I disagree with TheUzbek's last point. "...served as a member of the World Heritage Committee in 1985–1991." is not valid English.  It's equivalent to saying "Barack Obama was president of the US in 2009–2017", which nobody would ever say..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:52, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * If you disagree, then I'll retract my point... but written English and spoken English is not the same, but I'm not a native English speaker. Are you? If so, the case is closed already :P TheUzbek (talk) 20:41, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am a native English speaker. Even in written (as opposed to spoken) English it is not natural to write "The country served as a member of the World Heritage Committee in 1985–1991" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Then I defer to you, Chris! --TheUzbek (talk) 19:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


 * "The characteristic feature of the city are several multi-storey mudbrick houses which represent one of the oldest examples of urban planning based on high-rise buildings." ---> "The city has several multi-storey mudbrick houses, representing one of the oldest examples of high-rise urban planning. "
 * "It is also the best example of the traditional architecture of the Hadhrami people between the 16th and 19th centuries. The city is threatened by floods due to gradual abandonment of traditional water management systems. " ---> "It is also an example of the traditional architecture of the Hadhrami people between the 16th and 19th centuries. " (neutrality)
 * "The city is threatened by floods due to gradual abandonment of traditional water management systems." ---> "Floods threaten the city as traditional water management systems have been gradually abandoned."
 * "Furthermore, installation of modern water supply with inadequate drainage and changes in livestock management have contributed to deteriorating condition of the city. " ---> "Furthermore, installing a modern water supply with inadequate drainage and changes in livestock management have contributed to the deteriorating city condition."
 * " It played an important role in the early years of Islam, with the Great Mosque being the first mosque constructed outside Mecca and Medina, and the city being one of the centres from which the faith has spread. " > "It played a crucial role in Islam's early years, with the Great Mosque being the first mosque constructed outside Mecca and Medina. The city is one of the original centres from which the faith spread. "
 * "The walled city comprises many traditional multi-storey houses built of rammed earth and burned brick, they are decorated by patterns made in brick and white gypsum. The city is threatened by new constructions and improper conservation practices. " ---> "The walled city comprises many traditional multi-storey houses built of rammed earth and burned brick, decorated with brick and white gypsum. New constructions and improper conservation practices threaten the city."
 * "The coastal town of Zabid was the capital of Yemen from the 13th to 15th century. " > "Zabid was Yemen's capital from the 13th to the 15th century. "
 * "It was an important centre of learning during the early Islamic period from the 7th century on, with a large number of mosques and madrasas. " ---> "It was a prominent centre of learning during the early Islamic period from the 7th century on, with many mosques and madrasas. "
 * "The architecture, in particular the Tihamah-style courtyard house, was influential in the southern coast of the Arabian Peninsula." >"In particular, Tihamah-style courtyard houses influenced the southern Arabian peninsula's architecture."
 * "The town is threatened by the newer constructions in concrete and steel and by installation of overhead electrical cables." ---> "The town is threatened by new concrete and steel constructions and overhead electrical cables. "
 * "The islands support land and marine bird populations while the marine areas are home to coral reefs with numerous species of fish, crab, lobster, and shrimp" ---> "The islands support land and marine bird populations while the marine areas are home to coral reefs with numerous species of fish, crabs, lobsters, and shrimp"
 * "Marib was the centre of the Sabaean Kingdom which was possibly the Kingdom of Sheba." ---> "Marib was the centre of the Sabaean kingdom, possibly the Kingdom of Sheba."
 * "The kingdom controlled much of the incense trade across the Arabian Peninsula and in turn played a major role in cultural exchange with the Mediterranean and East Africa." ---> "The kingdom controlled much of the incense trade across the Arabian Peninsula and played a major role in cultural exchange with the Mediterranean and East Africa. "
 * "The monuments date from the 1st millennium BCE to the arrival of Islam around 630 CE and include the Barran Temple, the Awam Temple (pictured), the ancient city of Marib, Old Marib Dam, and the ancient city of Sirwah. " > "The monuments date from the 1st millennium BCE to Islam's arrival around 630 CE. They include the Barran Temple, the Awam Temple (pictured), the ancient city of Marib, the Old Marib Dam, and the ancient city of Sirwah."
 * "Saada was founded by Imam AI-Hadi Yaya in the 9th century and became the cradle of Zaydism, a powerful spiritual school of Muslim thought in Yemen." ---> "Saada was founded by Imam AI-Hadi Yaya in the 9th century. It became the cradle of Zaydism, a powerful Muslim spiritual school in Yemen."
 * "The mosque and madrasa date to 1504 and is a masterpiece of the Tahirid architecture of Yemen." ---> "The mosque and madrasa date to 1504 and is considered a masterpiece by ? of the Tahirid architecture of Yemen. " (neutrality?)
 * "The city is located in a mountain setting with river gorges and well integrated into the environment, forming a cultural landscape with terraces and small hamlets. " ---> "The city is located in a mountain setting with river gorges and is well integrated into the environment. It forms a cultural landscape with terraces and small hamlets."
 * "The houses in the city are decorated with stucco patterns and the doors are made of carved wood." ---> "It forms a cultural landscape with terraces and small hamlets. The city houses are decorated in stucco patterns and doors are made of carved wood."
 * "The mountainous region of Jabal Haraz was a caravan stopping point during the Himyarite Kingdom and a stronghold during the Sulayhid dynasty in the 11th century. " ---> "The mountainous region of Jabal Haraz was a caravan stopping point during the Himyarite Kingdom. It was also a stronghold during the Sulayhid dynasty in the 11th century."
 * "The cultural landscape comprises fortified villages on the mountain slopes and the terraces in these slopes that were used to grow alfalfa, millet, coffee, khat, and other crops. " ---> "The cultural landscape comprises fortified villages on mountain slopes and terraces used to grow alfalfa, millet, coffee, khat, and other crops."
 * "Settlements include Manakha and AI-Hajjara that both date to the 12th century." ---> "Settlements include Manakha and AI-Hajjara, which date back to the 12th century."
 * "Jabal Bura is a mountain where the western side is covered by dense tropical vegetation and the eastern side comprises a cultural landscape of hamlets and terraces used for farming." ---> "Jabal Bura is a mountain where the western side is covered by dense tropical vegetation. The eastern side comprises a cultural landscape of hamlets and terraces used for farming. "
 * "There are five vegetation zones spanning over 2,000 m (6,600 ft), with bananas being grown at the bottom levels, coffee in the middle, and durum wheat at higher altitudes. " ---> "There are five vegetation zones span over 2,000 m (6,600 ft), with bananas growing at the bottom, coffee in the middle, and durum wheat at higher altitudes."
 * "The area is threatened because of logging and firewood harvesting, as well as because of construction of new roads in a fragile environment." ---> "The area is threatened by logging, firewood harvesting, and the construction of newly constructed roads in a fragile environment."
 * "The area comprises the oasis of Balhaf, Qana, a major port of the Incense trade route since the period of the ancient Hadhramaut Kingdom, a volcanic crater lake (pictured), a fishing port of Burum, and the surrounding landscape." > "The area comprises the oasis of Balhaf, Qana, a key port of the Incense trade route since the ancient Hadhramaut Kingdom. It also comprises a volcanic crater lake (pictured), a fishing port of Burum, and the surrounding landscape."
 * "The area in Hawf District, together with the Dhofar Governorate in the neighbouring Oman, is important in view of plant diversity." ---> "In terms of plant diversity, the Hawf District and the Dhofar Governorate in neighbouring Oman are highly valuable."
 * "In contrast with the rest of the country that is mostly arid, Hawf is covered by trees and also home to several animal species. " ---> "While most of the rest of the country is arid, Hawf is covered with trees and is home to several animal species."
 * "The area is threatened by expansion and intensification of agriculture." ---> "The area is threatened by the expansion and intensification of agriculture."
 * "Ash-Shihr is a small ancient city with remains of buildings that were built in a mixture of Yemeni, Arab, and Hindu styles. The area is popular with tourists. There are hot spring baths in the village of Bada." -> "Ash-Shihr is a small ancient city with the remains of buildings built in a mixture of Yemeni, Arab, and Hindu styles. The area is popular with tourists. Bada village has hot spring baths."

These are all suggestions! If you disagree with one or more points, all I ask for in return is an explanation :) --TheUzbek (talk) 21:16, 9 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I went through the comments and incorporated most of them. In some cases, I left the text as it is because the suggestion either changed the focus and in one case it was grammatically sub-optimal. Still, great comments :) Tone 14:34, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, I hereby support. If you have time, please review my FL nom: Featured list candidates/Alternates of the 12th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam/archive1. --TheUzbek (talk) 17:55, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Comments by Dudley

 * "The architecture, in particular the Tihamah-style courtyard house, was influential in the southern coast of the Arabian Peninsula." The source says typical of rather than influential.
 * "The town is threatened by new concrete and steel constructions and overhead electrical cables." How threatened? If it to its historic character you should say so.
 * "The kingdom controlled much of the incense trade across the Arabian Peninsula and in turn played a major role in cultural exchange with the Mediterranean and East Africa." Why "in turn"?
 * "a 12-th century mosque, and a 15-th century hammam". 12th and 15th should not have hyphens.
 * "The mosque and madrasa date to 1504 and is a masterpiece" "are masterpieces"
 * "Sharma/Jethmun coastal area. Something has gone wrong here. The description is of a cultural site, but it is shown as a natural one. The description of the site at is of a natural site, but it is not clear that it is a reliable source. Does the source have the wrong description? This needs investigating. Dudley Miles (talk) 18:54, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I fixed them all but the last. This one is weird. The source says pretty much what is in the list, which indeed looks like it would fit a cultural site. The source mentions sea turtles, but on the Oman side, which I cannot use here, but would qualify it for natural properties. I guess I'll blame it on a bad nomination text, some nomination with older dates tend to be sloppy - I've seen several of those for some other countries. Tone 15:24, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. Sorry overlooked this. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:36, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

No spotcheck needed; focusing on formatting/reliability. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 00:18, 23 August 2023 (UTC) , I see no other issues, very nice job. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 00:18, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Source review from MyCatIsAChonk
 * Unrelated, but add Template:Use American English or otherwise appropriate
 * Ref 4: remove author, put the work into the publisher parameter
 * Ref 7: remove the name of the centre from the title


 * Thank you! Fixed all. I am usually using British, except for the US list :) Tone 08:49, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 00:43, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Promoting. -- Pres N  13:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


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