Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of X-Men video games/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 00:09, 11 January 2011.

List of X-Men video games

 * Nominator(s): Guyinblack25 talk, Nomader, and -5-

Not sure what else to say other than that I believe that the list meets the Featured list criteria. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC))
 * Also, for tracking purposes, I am co-nominating this article with User:Nomader and User:-5- who helped improve the list to its current form. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:51, 3 November 2010 (UTC))

; Comment from RexxS: The template VGtitle creates a separate table for each entry. I count 38 tables in the list. None of the tables have either column or row headers, so the "list" would not be easy for a visually-impaired reader to navigate using a screen reader, other than entry-by-entry. Although I would wish that our best lists were more fully accessible, I don't think it would make sense at present to object to this candidate, simply on the grounds of accessibility. There really needs to be a wholescale review of templates such as VGtitle, and (in my humble opinion) this is properly a task for WikiProject Video games and/or WikiProject Comics. --RexxS (talk) 20:35, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * RexxS, if you leave me a note on my talk page outlining your concerns, I'll bring them up at the VG project. Standardizing the format of our lists has been a point of contention for a while now and some guidelines to adhere to could get the ball rolling in the proper direction.
 * This particular template could be possibly retooled to a different format, or retired if need be. But I've sure a solution can be worked out down the road. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC))
 * I created new templates that emulate the table format: and . The first is a basic table frame and the second is the syntax for the table rows, resulting in a single table rather a stack of multiple ones. Let me know if there's anything else. (Guyinblack25 talk 20:47, 4 January 2011 (UTC))
 * Apologies for not revisiting sooner, but I'm pleased that my concerns about multiple tables has now been resolved with the creation of the new templates. I can see it's taken some work, but it will allow future articles from the project to more accessible, and the effort is commendable. In other cases I'd recommend the incorporation of column and row headers to further improve accessibility, but where there are only two columns as in this case, I don't think there's much to be gained. I've struck my original comments to indicate they are resolved, and I can see nothing from an accessibility point of view that should prevent promotion. --RexxS (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment Have TRM and RexxS been asked to revisit? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:48, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I dropped a note just now at TRM's page-- sorry, I haven't been around Wikipedia lately, college has been getting the best of me. I haven't left one at RexxS's page though, I felt like his comment was more aimed at redoing the entire table format for the video game lists than any objections to this particular one. I might drop a line at WT:VG myself if I get the chance about changing up the table format though. Nomader  ( Talk ) 23:55, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments - I have concerns over the template used, it seems to violate MOS:BOLD. Afro  ( Don't Call Me Shirley ) 23:11, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I first thought it was because the font size was larger, but after looking at the template code I realize that I misinformed The Rambling Man above. I removed the bold from the title. Sorry about the confusion. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC))
 * You reference some system releases (examples "X-Men: Wolverine's Rage" and "X2: Wolverine's Revenge") but you don't reference other systems releases (such as "X-Men vs. Street Fighter" and "X-Men: The Ravages of Apocalypse"), any specific reasons why these aren't referenced? Also another question about the notes, you reference some notes regarding the genre of video games (example all of the Wolverine games) but you don't reference most of the genres for the X-Men games and Related games why is this? Afro  ( Talk ) 03:39, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I do that to cut down on the number of citations. Everything in the list should be in the references provided, but if one citation can cover multiple bullet points then I try to cut down on redundancy. For example, the genre info for X-Men vs. Street Fighter is in the same reference as the heroes and villains content. (Guyinblack25 talk 23:49, 18 December 2010 (UTC))


 * Quick comments –
 * There's a typo in the developer of X-Men II: The Fall of the Mutants. It should be Paragon Software, not Paragron.
 * In the see also note, "a recreational animation software" doesn't feel complete to me. I know it's an afterthought, but standards should be maintained throughout. Should it be "a piece of recreational animation software", or perhaps "a recreation animation software package" (what's it's called in the linked article)?  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 22:36, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I changed the list per your concerns. Nomader  ( Talk ) 00:11, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: Would like to see a more developed and informative lead. The current one is lacking--AlastorMoody (talk) 16:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm loathe to padding the lead just to make it longer when it doesn't need it-- do you have any details in particular that you think need to be added? Nomader  ( Talk ) 03:47, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Nomader, mainly because I can't think of what else to add. If you have a specific suggestion, we can look into it. But as it stands, the lead summarizes the list and goes into some notable details. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:10, 13 December 2010 (UTC))
 * Comment: The template now supports a parameter for future games, per The Rambling Man's comments. Plans are also in motion to address the accessibility issue brought up by RexxS. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:23, 16 December 2010 (UTC))


 * Support now-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 11:39, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * Why does the canceled "Questprobe featuring The X-Men" get its own section, but the canceled "X-Women" get a brief mention?
 * I think the list would look better if you broke up the Notes sections into better labels such as "Genre", "Publisher", etc. The naming of characters and plotlines also seems arbitrary, and needs to be consistent throughout the list. Ω  pho  is  18:05, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I addressed the X-Women game by making a section for the two canceled games.
 * The content in the notes is somewhat arbitrary because it is based on the most notable information that turned up during research. Also, the template uses a generic notes section because it was designed for series of games that share information like genre, developer, publisher, etc. (For example, List of Space Invaders video games and List of Wario video games) However, this group of games seems to break that rationale, so I will try to include consistent information like the genre and developer/publisher. Character and plot info might be another story as reliable sources don't always go into such game details. I will add what I can though. FYI- Because of the holidays, I have inconsistent access to the internet, and I will try to get to this in a timely manner. (Guyinblack25 talk 18:53, 29 December 2010 (UTC))
 * I tweaked the notes. I hope it is to your satisfaction. (Guyinblack25 talk 18:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC))


 * Support. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 16:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)


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