Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of amphibians of Bulgaria/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by SchroCat 10:12, 7 August 2015.

List of amphibians of Bulgaria

 * Nominator(s): Gligan (talk) 13:53, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I hope that a successful promotion would encourage other users to create or improve lists of amphibians (and other animals) by country. While the lists of mammals and birds generally cover most countries, the lists of amphibians and reptiles still cover only a limited number of countries. In my opinion it is surprising how little lists there are in that field despite the available information. Regards, Gligan (talk) 13:53, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


 * A few minor comments. I could not find the full citation for Biserkov 2007, and the introduction sentence "This is a complete list of the amphibians of Bulgaria" can be deleted, as it's no longer accepted form for featured lists (as it is rather redundant). Mattximus (talk) 23:33, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the comments. I have changed the introduction of the list. However, I don't understand what exactly is missing in order to have full citation for Biserkov 2007. I hope you can help me with that issue. Here is a link to the book of Biserkov in PDF, if that could be helpful. Best, --Gligan (talk) 06:52, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Comments by PresN

Alright, removing my delegate hat to review this list, as I'd like to see more lists like this as well. Comments:
 * Okay, the only amphibian FL we have appears to be List of amphibians of Michigan, which has very different formatting than this one. At first glance, I'm on team Bulgaria- looks better visually
 * That lead is short. It's barely a single paragraph- is there no other information from the article that could go up there? The Michigan list gives the idea of a map of Bulgaria, to start with. Maybe add a description of the regions of Bulgaria you discuss in the various species notes?
 * I have expanded the lead. I will also add some information about the levels of precipitation but this would be in Wednesdays, when I get home.


 * The background:Linen; is removing the up/down arrows from the column headers; replace them with background-color:Linen; and they pop right back up
 * Done.


 * You're missing row and column scopes; make the column headers to fix those, and make the first item of each row !scope="row" for the row scopes. Note that the row scopes change the formatting of the first column; to undo it add plainrowheaders as a class of the table (so ) and make the row !scope="row" style="background:#ffffff".
 * Done. (hopefully I haven't messed up something)


 * All your status links are redirecting, but that seems to be a problem with the template, not your list
 * I have corrected the template.


 * The distribution texts all have punctuation but most are not complete sentences- either make them all complete sentences with a period at the end, or drop the periods and make them all half-statements
 * Done.


 * Poor southern crested newt doesn't have an image- I assume you've looked for one?
 * Indeed, I have looked for an image but unfortunately there is none in Commons.


 * I like the way you tell the reader how many species/genera there are in general, as well as in Bulgaria
 * And... that's it! A nice, short list that covers all the bases.

-- Pres N  01:20, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for the suggestions and the positive comments :) I will take note of the discussion here and will extrapolate the recommendations to the List of reptiles of Bulgaria, which I intend to nominate once the current process is over. Regards, Gligan (talk) 11:02, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, I did a copyedit on the new additions. 2 last things- ref 3 (First record of Triturus macedonicus (Karaman, 1922) (Amphibia: Salamandridae) in Bulgaria) - shouldn't this be cite journal, not cite book? If so, it needs a journal listed; if it is a book, it needs a publisher. Cite 5 (Ecoregions of Bulgaria") is also missing a publisher. -- Pres N  16:34, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. Best regards,--Gligan (talk) 17:14, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Cool, Support. -- Pres N  20:29, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * In the interest of getting this list some more attention: consider reviewing some other lists at FLC to get people more inclined to review yours back, and maybe ask Mattximus if he's willing to do a full review. On that note- would you consider reviewing my World Fantasy Special Award—Professional down below? -- Pres N  12:45, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

All the other images look good.— Maile (talk) 22:31, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Images Review -
 * Bombina bombina needs Source and date in the Summary information
 * File:Pelobates fuscus insubricus01.jpg needs date in the Summary informtion
 * File:Teichfrosch.jpg needs Summary information
 * File:Rana dalmatina01.jpg needs Summary information
 * File:Benny Trapp Griechischer Frosch Rana graeca.jpg needs date in the Summary information
 * Done. --Gligan (talk) 16:50, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Support - Well done list. — Maile (talk) 17:23, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Regards, --Gligan (talk) 19:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Comments by Dudley
 * "Geographic map of Bulgaria" Why not just Map of Bulgaria? What is an non-geographic map?
 * A silly mistake of mine. What I meant was topographic map.


 * "The foundations of the Bulgarian herpetology, or studies of amphibians and reptiles" I suggest "The foundations of Bulgarian herpetology, (the study of amphibians and reptiles)"
 * Done.


 * As all but one species are low concern, I would delete the status column and add a sentence at the end of the first paragraph saying that they are all least concern apart from the Macedonian Crested Newt which has not been evaluated.
 * In my opinion all good-quality lists should a similar structure for all countries and a status column is a must (in general). Indeed, in the case of Bulgaria most amphibian species have the same status but that category is variable and the current status might change. My idea is to have uniform lists of vertebrate species of Bulgaria and that column would be needed there.


 * A column for the genus would be far more useful.
 * My thoughts on that suggestion: if we have a column for the genus, it should not have the same number of rows as the other columns because it is redundant to repeat the same word over and over again. However, if the number of rows differs, then the options to sort the species by Latin, common name or status will not work properly.
 * I do not see the problem. You repeat the status and could equally well repeat the genus. Dudley Miles (talk) 18:05, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The status is repeated only because in that particular list the vast majority of species happen to have the same status. The genus on the other hand is already clearly visible in the Latin name and sorted alphabetically anyway. Generally, in the lists with tables I have seen so far there is no such column. In your opinion in what place should a column about the genus go in the table. Perhaps third, after the Latin and common name of the species? --Gligan (talk) 19:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)


 * "Only one genus, Hyla, is found in Europe, and one species occurs in Bulgaria.[" You might add the number of species in the genus.
 * If we add the number of species there might be confusion whether that number includes all Hyla species or only those found in Europe. They are 37 and 6 species respectively. I am open for a suggestion how to add that information without complicating the sentence too much.
 * How about "Hylidae or tree frogs are the most diverse amphibian family with 951 species in 51 genera, and worldwide distribution. Most species inhabit tropical areas with warm and humid climate, especially the Neotropics. Hylids range from small to large in size and usually have distinct adhesive toe discs that contain a cartilage offsetting the terminal phalanx, which aids in climbing. The only genus found in Europe is Hyla, with 6 species out of 37 worldwide, and one in Bulgaria." Dudley Miles (talk) 18:05, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. --Gligan (talk) 19:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)


 * You have not formatted harvnb refs correctly. You need to add ref=harv to the sources.
 * Done (hopefully) but please take a look at my formatting and correct it if needed.


 * A first rate list. All my queries are minor apart from the lack of a genus column. Dudley Miles (talk) 15:24, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the comments. Regards, --Gligan (talk) 16:50, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * One other point. Columns where sorting does not make sense, description and image, should be non-sortable. Dudley Miles (talk) 18:05, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. --Gligan (talk) 19:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Support. I still think there should be a column for the genus, both for completeness and because it would allow a link to the genus which would be useful to some readers, but I leave it to you to decide. If you do put it in, it could go second or third. Dudley Miles (talk) 20:17, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the support :) I would like to use this opportunity to encourage the people following this discussion to share their opinion on the issue regarding a column for the genus. Best, --Gligan (talk) 20:30, 4 August 2015 (UTC)


 * – SchroCat (talk) 10:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


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