Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by Coldplay/archive1


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The list was not promoted by Matthewedwards 20:37, 21 April 2009.

List of awards and nominations received by Coldplay

 * ''Nominator(s): Matthew R Dunn (talk)

I am nominating this article for FL. I have recently rewrote it from my sandbox and turned the rather ghastly and terrible awards page to what it is now. It has a rather long lead, it certainly looks comprehensive, I do truly believe the sources are reliable, its stable and looks appealing. Awaiting review. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 18:20, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I haven't read the article yet, but do you think you can explain why this passes Criteria 3b? Could this not be merged with Coldplay discography? See WT:FL?, Some of the lists about to be nominated at FLRC in the coming months, and WP:FLRC for more. NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 19:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't jump the gun. I think 43 awards out of 108 nominations warrants a separate awards list. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:18, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is also a pretty big article as well (27kb), and I can safely say this has got to be one of the largest awards page for a band, since Coldplay is very well known in all parts of the globe. Besides, I saw List of awards and nominations received by The Strokes, and that is still FL despite only 6 awards and 13 nominations. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 19:28, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see now. I haven't listened to Coldplay for a while and I don't follow the music industry too much, so I hadn't a clue they exploded. I'll give an actual review in a few days then; please do give me a message on my talk if I forget. NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 19:53, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * General note: since criterion 3b was implemented, standards on what and what cannot be a featured list have tightened. The aforementioned The Strokes list will probably delisted from FL and merged. The Coldplay list is safe, IMO. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 *  Strong Oppose by  T ru  c o   --FLC is not a substitution for PR
 * General
 * Fix the disambiguation links, as found with the dab finder tool in the toolbox at the right
 * Looked through the dab tool, nothing outstanding. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 23:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I fixed the dab earlier today, there is a lag between actual link status and the dab tool. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Lead
 * In total, Coldplay has sold around 50 million albums during their tenure -- around is WP:WEASEL, how about using at least
 * The band achieved high critical acclaim all over the world, with several hit singles, indluding "Yellow", which was the band's first hit overseas, including America,[2] "Speed of Sound", which was beaten to the number one spot in the United Kingdom by "Axel F" from the Crazy Frog,[3] and "Viva la Vida", their first number one in the UK and the US. --> The band achieved high critical acclaim all over the world with several hit singles, including: "Yellow", which was the band's first hit overseas,[2] "Speed of Sound", which was beaten to the number one spot in the United Kingdom by "Axel F" from the Crazy Frog,[3] and "Viva la Vida", their first number one in the UK and the US. In addition, remove the part that states which was beaten and instead state what it ranked as and in what chart (2)Spell out the United States in its first occurrence (in the revised version I removed including America because that is already known by stating overseas
 * Overall, Coldplay have received a total of 43 awards, out of 108 nominations since 2000. --> Overall, Coldplay have received a total of 43 awards from 108 nominations since 2000.
 * Most notably, they received six awards from a total of 14 nominations from the BRIT Awards, with the most popular win being the "Best British Group", which they won three times.  -- Its POV-ish to state that these are their most notable wins.
 * Out of 18 Grammy Award nominations, the band won seven awards.  --> Out of 18 Grammy Award nominations, the band has won seven awards. 
 * They recieved the most nominations from the 51st Annual Grammy Awards, with seven nominations, of which three were won. --> They received the most nominations at the 51st Annual Grammy Awards, with seven nominations, of which three were won. (Also link to that edition of the Grammys)
 * Coldplay have recieved eight MTV Awards in total, including four MTV Europe Music Awards from 13 nominations, and four MTV Video Music Awards from 10 nominations, where they won the most awards in 2003. -- (1)Typo on received (2)Its not clear as to where they the most awards in 2003, in the Europe edition or at the VMA's?
 * All awards they were nominated for in 2003, for the music video of "The Scientist" were won. --> For their music video of "The Scientist, they won all the awards in which they were nominated for in 2003.
 * They received five Q Awards from 13 nominations, where the band have won the "Best Album" award for three of their four albums, and although X&Y was nominated, it was the only Q Award for "Best Album" in which they did not win . -- That's not necessary, as just by saying 3/4 albums suffices
 * All fixed. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 23:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Awards
 * The American Music Awards is an annually held awards ceremony that airs on ABC. (1)Reword to The American Music Awards is an annual awards ceremony that airs on ABC. (2)State why they are awarded
 * GQ is a monthly men's magazine, where the annual winners are voted through their website.  -- Clarify as to who theirs is referring to
 * The Grammy Awards are an annually held music awards show by the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences of the United States. -- (1)Reword to The Grammy Awards are an annual music awards show held by the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences of the United States. (2)Per WP:OVERLINK, do not link United States
 * The International Dance Music Awards is a dance music event held every March since 1980s in South Florida. --> The International Dance Music Awards is a dance music event held annually in March since the 1980s in Florida.
 * The Ivor Novello Awards is an award ceremony for songwriting and composing, held annually in London. -- You must state this as London, United Kingdom
 * The Juno Awards is an annually presented awards ceremony primarily to the Canadian musical artists and bands  --> The Juno Awards is an annual awards ceremony held primarily for Canadian musical artists and bands.
 * The Los Premios MTV Latinoamérica Awards (formerly known as the MTV Video Awards, Latin America) are the Latin American version of the MTV Video Awards. -- State why they are given/held
 * The Meteor Ireland Music Awards are the national music awards of Ireland, held annually since 2001.  -- State their rationale for giving the award
 * The biannual MTV Asia Awards is the Asian equivalent of the Australian MTV Australia Awards. -- State their rationale for giving the award
 * The MTV Europe Music Awards is an annual awards ceremony established in 1994 by MTV Europe.  -- State why they are given/held
 * The MTV Video Music Awards is an annual award ceremony in which the awards go to the music videos. --> The MTV Video Music Awards is an annual awards ceremony held primarily to honor music videos.
 * The MTV Video Music Awards Japan is the Japanese version of the Video Music Awards. --> (1)Reword to The MTV Video Music Awards Japan is the Japanese version of the MTV Video Music Awards. (2)State why they are given/held
 * The MuchMusic Video Awards are annually held awards presented by the Canadian music video channel MuchMusic.  -- (1)Reword to The MuchMusic Video Awards is an annual awards ceremony presented by the Canadian music video channel MuchMusic.  (2)State why they are given/held
 * The NME Awards are an annual music awards show, founded by the music magazine NME.  -- state why they are given/held
 * The NRJ Music Awards are annually held awards held in Cannes, France. --> (1) Reword to The NRJ Music Awards is an annual awards ceremony held in Cannes, France. (2)State why they are held/given
 * The Q Awards are the UK's annual music awards run by music magazine Q. -- Not run by, but held by
 * There is an inconsistency with the formatting of stating how many awards the band has received from the nominations. They should all be formatted as Coldplay have received # awards from # nominations.
 * I've dealt with most issues, but I don't understand what you mean by "State why thay are held/given". Could you clarify please? -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 00:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Basically, what are they awarded for? For example "The Grammy Awards are awarded annually by the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences of the United States for outstanding achievements in the record industry." (emphasis mine). Dabomb87 (talk) 01:35, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Got ya, I think I've got the hang of it now, given rationales and that to the awards sections in question. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 11:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * References
 * Ref #2| Why is the publisher/work as Spin: 64?
 * The publisher is not Rock on the Net.com its Rock on the Net
 * The publisher is not ABC.com its ABC
 * Coldplaying.com looks like a fan site, what makes it reliable?
 * The publisher is not wmcon.com its Winter Music Conference
 * The publisher is not EMIGroup.com its EMI Group
 * What makes rockdirt.com reliable?
 * Ref 47 is missing a publisher
 * Ref 50| The work is Billboard Biz, but the publisher is Nielsen Business Media, Inc.
 * What makes Javno.com reliable?
 * For all the MTV sources, the publisher is MTV Networks and the respective subsidiary is the work.
 * The publisher is not RTÉ.ie its RTÉ Commercial Enterprises.
 * The publisher is not Meteor.ie its Meteor
 * What makes Latin Gossip reliable?-- T ru  c o   20:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed all the publisher concerns, I will check up on the questioned source tomorrow, and then try and find more reliable replacements tomorrow. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 23:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think I can make whatever websites are reliable sources. To me, the only way you can tell if it's reliable or not is whether the source uses text language, but they don't, and I've still replaced all the questionable sources with more reliable ones (MTV and Entertainment Weekly). Thanks for the review, and I'm sorry for what you first said, Truco, but if I chose to make another awards list or any other type of list, I'll definately peer review it before nominating for featured list status. If there are any other concerns, by all means feel free to tell me, and I'll get to it. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 11:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I did think I came out to strong. But excellent fixes. In addition, the Q awards and the International Dancing Awards still need a purpose as to why they are given.-- T ru  c o   15:44, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, and in addition, I removed the ".coms" from the publishers sections on other citations not listed above to be safe. And, apology accepted, though it isn't really necassary, I appreciate your concerns and criticism about the nomination, since I've so far only nominated articles for good article status, and I will confess that this is new to me. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 16:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Previous issues resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards from my view. Good work, but I want to wait to see what others think before I can support. I will revisit after others review.-- T ru  c o   17:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Oppose I'll leave the references for someone else to check. --JD554 (talk) 08:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There are problems with the lead section: it doesn't flow well, their seems to be an over-abundance of commas, spelling mistakes and MOS errors. I recommend finding someone to give it a copyedit which should pick up anything I've missed below.
 * Is piano rock a genre in its own right? It isn't mentioned in the band's article.
 * That was removed by another user.
 * London doesn't need to be wikilinked.
 * "In total, Coldplay has sold at least 50 million albums during their tenure" seems wordy, but the alternative "They have sold over 50 million albums." is probably a bit abrupt. How about combining it with the previous sentence somehow? Perhaps "Their first four albums—[list them here]—have sold over 50 million copies."
 * The new version still doesn't work. I suggest "They have released four studio albums—[list them here]—which have sold over 50 million copies."
 * Do you really mean "all over the world"? Or should it simply be they have "achieved high critical acclaim"? And by who? A couple of citations to back this up would be useful.
 * I'm a little pressed for time, so I just removed that remark altogether, but I will be searching for a source (unless someone beats me to it.
 * Found a source. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 15:04, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "several hit singles": How many? Hit singles where? How high did they get to be classed as "hit singles"?
 * Got rid of "hit", got to "over twenty singles", according to the template.
 * "indluding" --> "including"
 * I don't think "including the United States" is necessary, you've already said "overseas".
 * I've change my mind on this having read the reference. It should be just United States (see above point though).
 * "which earned 2nd place on the charts in the United Kingdom" --> "which reached number two on the UK Singles Chart"
 * That last sentence in the first paragraph doesn't work. I think there should be some semi-colons instead of commas or perhaps broken up into two or three sentences.
 * Would putting brackets on what the singles achieved do?
 * If you're going to keep the current structure of this sentence it needs to be "The band have released over twenty singles, including: "Yellow", which became the band's first hit in the United States when it reached number ?? on the Hot 100;[2] "Speed of Sound", which reached number two on the UK Singles Chart,[3] and "Viva la Vida", their first number one in the UK and the US." You'll also need a references for "Yellow"'s chart position and for "Viva la Vida"'s number 1 positions in the UK and US. But I still think the sentence would be better broken up.
 * I have broken up the sentence, now there is a short sentence for each mentioned single.
 * Why are their BRIT awards most notable?
 * Because this is pretty much one of the largest music award ceremonies in the UK. Besides, I said "most notably", referring to not only the BRIT awards, but also the Grammys, MTV and Q Awards (where they received more than ten nominations), so took out "most".
 * "Notably" seems POVish - just say "They received six awards from fourteen..."
 * Award titles don't need quote marks.
 * "They recieved the most nominations at the 51st Grammy Awards" needs a citation and it should be "received".
 * Surely, looking at the list below at the Grammys section says it all (2 in 2002, 2003 and 2004, 1 in 2005 and 2007, 3 in 2006, and 7 in 2009).
 * In which case the sentence is ambiguous, because I took it to mean they received more nominations than anyone else at the 51st Grammy Awards. This needs clarifying. Also, "received" is still misspelled.
 * I reworded the sentence. If it still doesn't work for you, then I'll remove it.
 * "where they won the most awards in 2003 from the latter" needs a citation, but also rewording somehow.
 * Again, looking at the list on the VMA section should say it all, shouldn't require citation, and reworded it to something more understandable to read.
 * You shouldn't finish a sentence with a preposition. Try "The music video for "The Scientist" won all the awards for which it was nominated at the 2003 MTV Video Music Awards."
 * Done, linked to the 2003 Awards article.
 * "The Scientist" is missing the second quote mark.
 * You mixed figures and word for numbers. Pick either all figures or all words (except 114).
 * Done, but I left out 43, because I though that you should word the numbers until twenty, otherwise the words will be a little lenghty.
 * 43 can be in words as well per MOS:NUM.
 * A number of the wikilinks are redirects, eg American Music Awards should be American Music Awards and BRIT Awards redirects to The BRIT Awards, there may be more.
 * Some of the individual awards have their own articles and should be linked, eg a lot of the Grammy Awards (a list for these can be found at List of Grammy Award categories). But I think some of the others do as well.
 * There are, mostly MTV related.
 * Should have fixed them, thanks for your comments (apart from "oppose" of course :). Feel free to drop in anymore you have. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 14:30, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "Oppose" can become "support" under the right circumstances ;) But I still have some issues as outlined above. I still also strongly recommend having it copyedited. --JD554 (talk) 07:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I think I have completed the changes. Any more? -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 13:04, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I've given the lead section a bit of a copyedit. All my concerns are now addressed. I'll remain neutral until someone has given the citations a thorough review. --JD554 (talk) 13:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Ref review
 * For BBC sources, such as BBC News. BBC News is the work and BBC is the publisher.
 * But that will italicise BBC News, which is wrong. I'd have BBC News as a a publisher and leave "BBC" out. Matthewedwards : Chat  03:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Read my comment below.-- T ru  c o   15:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * For MTV sources, such as MTV Asia. MTV Asia is the work and MTV Networks is the publisher.
 * MTV Asia is a network; putting it in the work field will italicise it, which it shouldn't be. Matthewedwards : Chat  03:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Incorrect, because per cite web, the work field is if the source is part of a larger work. MTV Asia is part of the MTV Networks, as it is written on the site at the bottom.-- T ru  c o   15:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I probably should have said something about this months ago, but it is not necessary to do this when the website name contains the same name as the publisher (MTV Asia as work and MTV Networks as the publisher) because it is redundant. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's redundant.-- T ru  c o   15:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * For the http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2005/09/08/story219818.asp source, you need to state the work as being from the archive of Ireland or wherever its from
 * and Pop doesn't seem like a reliable source because it has blogs and doesn't really state what makes it reliable. What makes it reliable?
 * What makes http://www.andpop.com/2009/03/30/2009-juno-awards-show-winners/ reliable?
 * http://www.ilikemusic.com/music_news/-739/4 is a sales site, what makes it reliable?
 * http://eil.com/awards/mtv.asp What makes it reliable?-- T ru  c o   19:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Comments from
 * "The band has released over twenty singles, including: " Numbers over ten should be written in numeric form, per WP:MOSNUM.
 * This isn't necessary, MOSNUM also states: or may be rendered in words if they are expressed in one or two words. --JD554 (talk) 07:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, yes, but it needs to be consistent. The article has "The band has released over twenty singles" but "Coldplay have received 43 awards from 114 nominations." Dabomb87 (talk) 14:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)It
 * Singles and awards aren't comparable quantities. --JD554 (talk) 07:44, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You don't understand; the inconsistency is that 43 and 114 are over ten and are written in numeric form while twenty is over ten but is written in words. There needs to be article-wide consistency. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:51, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I do understand what you mean. However, the only consistency mentioned in MOSNUM is the following line: Comparable quantities should be all spelled out or all figures: we may write either 5 cats and 32 dogs or five cats and thirty-two dogs, not five cats and 32 dogs. As the singles aren't being compared with the awards I don't believe you are correct otherwise all of the numerical values in the lead will need converting to digits because 114 has to be given in digits as it is more than one or two words. --JD554 (talk) 07:03, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ""Yellow", which was the band's first hit "
 * "the United States where it reached" Comma after "United States".
 * "and "Viva la Vida" which was the band's first " 1)Comma after "Viva la Vida" 2)"which was" can be deleted
 * "2009 was their most successful year having received seven nominations at the 51st Grammy Awards—more than they had done previously—of which they won three. " Per MOSNUM, sentences shouldn't start out with numbers.
 * "GQ is a monthly men's magazine, where the annual winners are voted through the GQ website. " "GQ" should be italicized because it's a publication; "where"-->and; and specify what the awards are for.
 * "songwriting and composing, held annually in London, United Kingdom. " 1)No comma 2)Unlink London
 * "of Ireland, held annually since " No comma.
 * "The NME Awards is an annual music awards show, founded by the music magazine NME, where the winners are decided by public votes."-->The NME Awards is an annual music awards show founded by the music magazine NME; the winners are decided by public votes. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Sources (in addition to Truco's comments above)
 * What makes http://www.pubquizhelp.com/ent/brit_award_winners.html reliable?
 * Likewise http://www.musicsnews.com/articles/1199/1/THE-Q-AWARDS-2006 and http://www.allbusiness.com/retail-trade/miscellaneous-retail-retail-stores-not/4380152-1.html?
 * Publications should be italicized (The Guardian, ref 31). You can do this by changing  to   in the citation template. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.