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List of awards and nominations received by Inna

 * Nominator(s): Cartoon network freak (talk) 18:14, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I think it meets the criteria. I've never promoted an 'awards-list' to FL status so far, but I've put a lot of work into this. Cartoon network freak (talk) 18:14, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Aoba47

 * Comments from Aoba47
 * Please provide an ALT description for the infobox image.
 * Be more descriptive than that with your ALT description. "A photograph of Inna" could refer to almost anything related to the singer, and your ALT needs to be more specific to be actually helpful. Aoba47 (talk) 16:27, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Done now!
 * I would remove the dynamic list template from the top of the page as I would assume that this could easily be completed as done with either awards/nominations pages.
 * I would rephrase the first sentence to the following (Romanian singer-songwriter and dancer Inna has received various awards and nominations.) to keep the focus on her awards.
 * I have altered this to include the "nominations" part as this list goes to both her awards and nominations, not just her wins. Aoba47 (talk) 16:30, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I would suggest looking at the structure of the lead for similar lists that have already passed FLC, such as List of awards and nominations received by Adele. The second sentence from the first paragraph should be removed as it is more appropriate for her main article but not necessary for this lead. The same goes for her studies in political science. I would start with her unsuccessful audition for A.S.I.A.
 * ✅ Tried to amend this
 * I would look through the lead again and revise the language. There are many examples of awkward wording and sentence construction. Looking at similar lists that have already passed FLC would be helpful with this. I would also suggest a c/e from the WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors.
 * ✅ Tried to work on lead; I knew it's problematic ;)
 * I will do a more detailed prose review soon, but I would recommend trying to correct any prose issues prior to putting something up for FLC in the future. Aoba47 (talk) 16:30, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The last sentence of the first paragraph needs a citation.
 * This has not been done. The last sentence of the first paragraph needs a citation to support the "the first time for Romania" bit. Aoba47 (talk) 16:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * In the brief descriptions with each award section, you do not need to include the references to her wins and nominations as the references are already present in the tables. The references about the awards themselves should stay.
 * ✅ I've only left refs for award galas without an own article or if there was any other info mentioned about the award that needed support from a ref.
 * You still need to include references for the definitions for the awards even if they have a Wikipedia article so please add those back per my original comment. The lead itself still needs a lot of work and revision and I will provide a more thorough review of its prose later in the day. Aoba47 (talk) 16:23, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Good job with this list. Once my comments are addressed, I will read through it again. My primary concerns are with the lead, which has several prose and sentence construction issues that need to be corrected/revised. Hope this helps. The actual list itself seems really good. Aoba47 (talk) 03:18, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your review! Please let me know your follow-up thoughts ;) Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 16:17, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I will provide a more extensive review of the prose later in the day if that is okay with you as there still some problem areas in the lead that prevent me from fully support this nomination. Aoba47 (talk) 16:25, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I would organize the lead chronologically to help make a cohesive narrative for the reader. Right now, the first paragraph has information about a 2011 award for a 2010 song. This should be moved down to one of the later paragraphs. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I would spell out 13 in this context as it looks odd to have that be the only numeral in the first paragraph. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * In the start of the second paragraph, I would include information about her initial record deal if possible. See the Adele example I linked above to see what I mean by this. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ I have no source to add this information; sorry :(
 * No worries. I completely understand. Aoba47 (talk) 20:55, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The phrase "native trio" is very odd. What do you mean by "native"? If you mean "Bulgarian", then just say that for clarity. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Remove "itself" in the phrase "the record itself" as it is unnecessary. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Just say "singles" instead of "single releases". "Single releases" is unnecessarily long. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Could you go into more detail about the awards and nominations from her first album. You only devote a sentence to it, and I believe that it should be expanded. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ She only received a single nomination for the album at the RRA Awards, so there is in fact nothing to expand.
 * Makes sense, thank you for the clarification. Aoba47 (talk) 20:55, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I would put the phrase "her second studio album" in front of the album's name for clarity. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I do not know what you mean by the transition "The same year" as you list two years (2010 and 2011) in the previous sentence. Do you mean 2010 or 2011 by this? Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Could you also expand on the awards and nominations she received for her second studio album? You only have a brief sentence about one award, and this should be expanded if possible to not give undue emphasis on a singular award. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Eliminate "for purchase" in the phrase "made available for purchase" as it is unnecessary. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Please include any information about the awards and nominations associated with the third and fourth albums in the lead. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ She only won awards with her third album
 * The sentence about "P.O.H.U.I." needs to be revised as it reads awkwardly to me. It also comes out of nowhere following the brief statement about the third and fourth studio albums so a transition would be helpful in this case. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Tried to do both things
 * I think you should include information about the awards and nominations for "P.O.H.U.I." in the lead, but provide a more comprehensive overview of its awards and nominations. You only include one nomination in the lead, but it was also up for other awards.
 * ✅ Included the other award received
 * This question is not specifically relevant to this review, but do you think that "P.O.H.U.I." is notable enough to have its own article or at least a red link? Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I may make an article about it this weekend. It really is notable, you're right :)
 * Good luck with it. If you put it up for GAN, let me know and I will review it. Aoba47 (talk) 03:37, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I would move the sentence "Diggy Down" closer to the sentence on its parent album to make the connection clear. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * In the lead, I would recommend including a sentence or two about the awards and nominations that the singer has receive outside of her music career, such as those for her style or her dancing, to provide a more comprehensive overview of the awards and nominations. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I have added additional comments above. Also, remember to address my responses to my original comments. One of my main issues is that there is not enough of an overview of the actual awards and nominations in the lead. It lists the albums and includes one or two notes about its awards and/or nominations, but this needs to be expanded. Please refer to a FL on a similar topic and use that as an example for the expansion. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The lead is in a MUCH better shape now. Please check it out again! I'm going to add refs for the award definitions tomorrow. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 20:25, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the prompt responses. I have also made some edits/revisions to the lead as well. Ping me once you have added the references for the award definitions and I will look through it again and most likely support this nomination. Thank you for your patience while going through my rather long review. You have done an excellent job. I have to admit that I have never heard of this singer until reading through your work on here lol. Aoba47 (talk) 20:54, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I've added the sources for the awards. Inna is not big in the US, she's only had a few Dance Airplay hits there ;) Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 06:05, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The sentence about "P.O.H.U.I." needs to be revised as it reads awkwardly to me. It also comes out of nowhere following the brief statement about the third and fourth studio albums so a transition would be helpful in this case. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Tried to do both things
 * I think you should include information about the awards and nominations for "P.O.H.U.I." in the lead, but provide a more comprehensive overview of its awards and nominations. You only include one nomination in the lead, but it was also up for other awards.
 * ✅ Included the other award received
 * This question is not specifically relevant to this review, but do you think that "P.O.H.U.I." is notable enough to have its own article or at least a red link? Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I may make an article about it this weekend. It really is notable, you're right :)
 * Good luck with it. If you put it up for GAN, let me know and I will review it. Aoba47 (talk) 03:37, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I would move the sentence "Diggy Down" closer to the sentence on its parent album to make the connection clear. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * In the lead, I would recommend including a sentence or two about the awards and nominations that the singer has receive outside of her music career, such as those for her style or her dancing, to provide a more comprehensive overview of the awards and nominations. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I have added additional comments above. Also, remember to address my responses to my original comments. One of my main issues is that there is not enough of an overview of the actual awards and nominations in the lead. It lists the albums and includes one or two notes about its awards and/or nominations, but this needs to be expanded. Please refer to a FL on a similar topic and use that as an example for the expansion. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The lead is in a MUCH better shape now. Please check it out again! I'm going to add refs for the award definitions tomorrow. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 20:25, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the prompt responses. I have also made some edits/revisions to the lead as well. Ping me once you have added the references for the award definitions and I will look through it again and most likely support this nomination. Thank you for your patience while going through my rather long review. You have done an excellent job. I have to admit that I have never heard of this singer until reading through your work on here lol. Aoba47 (talk) 20:54, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I've added the sources for the awards. Inna is not big in the US, she's only had a few Dance Airplay hits there ;) Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 06:05, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the prompt responses. I have also made some edits/revisions to the lead as well. Ping me once you have added the references for the award definitions and I will look through it again and most likely support this nomination. Thank you for your patience while going through my rather long review. You have done an excellent job. I have to admit that I have never heard of this singer until reading through your work on here lol. Aoba47 (talk) 20:54, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I've added the sources for the awards. Inna is not big in the US, she's only had a few Dance Airplay hits there ;) Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 06:05, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Support: Thank you for your patience with this review as I know it was rather long and drawn-out. I think the list, specifically the lead, has been improved a great deal and I could support this as a FL. Good luck with getting this promoted. Aoba47 (talk) 15:34, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Comments from The Rambling Man
Oppose with regret
 * Image caption is a fragment so no full stop required.
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:34, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * "Romanian singer-songwriter Inna has received various awards and nominations. " maybe worth contextualising her career, e.g. let us know when she first became prominent, is she still active etc?
 * ❌ The article initially included more about her bio, but the previous reviewer suggested that I should leave that out, e.g. I have inspired myself from this featured list. Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:34, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It's simple enough to say "whose ongoing career started in xxxx with yyyy". That way everyone wins.  The Rambling Man (talk) 14:53, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I would agree with a short/brief part being added about this. Aoba47 (talk) 16:39, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


 * If Media Music awards aren't notable enough for a Wikipedia article, why should they be listed here?
 * ❌ See below... Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:34, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Similarly, all the other awards which don't have a Wikipedia article, I'd question why they should be listed. Or alternatively red link them, and even better, create articles about them to demonstrate why they're notable enough for inclusion here.
 * ❌ Wait... You confused me. Isn't this list here to include all the awards won by the respective singer? For example, this featured list has many awards without an own article, and nearly all the awards here keep a certain level of notability even without an own page. Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:34, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Not if the awards aren't notable. Inna could have won hundreds of inconsequential awards that aren't handled in this list, what I'm saying shouldn't be that confusing, if an award isn't notable enough for Wikipedia to have an article on it, then why should it be notable enough for these lists.  I would remove the non-notable awards from the Adele list, which I didn't review.  The Rambling Man (talk) 14:55, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with the above statement. Awards that are not deemed notable enough by Wikipedia standards should be removed. I have received a similar note while working on List of awards and nominations received by Sharon Stone. Aoba47 (talk) 16:41, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Bob Sinclair is a dab link.
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:34, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * "ultimately lost in the favor of " not normal English, it would be "ultimately lost out to" or "ultimately lost in favor of", preferably the former.
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:34, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * "she was awarded with the Special International award." awarded with the award? Not brilliant English, maybe the first "awarded" could be "presented"?
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:34, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Split the refs by |30em, not |2.
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:34, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

My oppose is based on the non-notable awards issue. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:20, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your review! Check out my responses to your comments. Best regards, Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:34, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Finally done all your points (sorry for the delay!). There are still two awards that are notable but don't have an article, but the rest has been removed as suggested by you. Please ping be back! Best regards, Cartoon network freak (talk) 18:23, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I see five, and how do I (or the readers) know that any such awards without articles are notable? The Rambling Man (talk) 12:57, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Is it ok now? Cartoon network freak (talk) 15:00, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Harrias

 * Just to pick up on a point from The Rambling Man above; I think more information about Inna is required in the lead. The Featured list criteria require "an engaging lead that introduces the subject". At the moment, the lead doesn't even tell me what sort of music she performs. Is she an opera singer?? Roughly how old was she when she started performing? Harrias  talk 17:30, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm currently waiting on the response of The Rambling Man. Is the lead ok now? Cartoon network freak (talk) 18:11, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * That seems a more appropriate introduction, thanks. Harrias  talk 10:28, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Quick oppose at the moment. Harrias talk 10:28, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Giants2008 ( Talk ) 20:06, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
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