Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by John Oliver/archive1


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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 25 July 2023 (UTC).

List of awards and nominations received by John Oliver

 * Nominator(s): MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 00:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Oliver's work on Last Week Tonight has influenced US culture, law, and sewer plants; so, he's received many awards. My first FLC, and look forward to everyone's comments! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 00:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

 Oppose : gotta say I'm confused by this article. First off, I randomly doublechecked its claim that Last Week Tonight with John Oliver won the 2015 Critics' Choice Television Award for Best Talk Show. It didn't, the Daily Show won. Second, even if that were a mistake, the cited source doesn't credit John Oliver the person at all for the nomination, so why is it listed here. Picking another random example: the Daily Show in 2012. Why is Oliver credited with a WGA nom not a Critics' Choice nom?

The article was completely overhauled yesterday, and has been submitted to FLC too hastily. The Critics Choice error above, for example, didn't exist in yesterday's version of the article.—indopug (talk) 19:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I did not notice the error regarding the Critics Choice Awards, must've been lost when I converted it to a table. I've spotchecked the whole article to ensure everything is good, and fixed things appropriately- it seems the only change to wins had to be regarding the Critics Choice Awards.


 * To address the criteria for listing: any award received by just Last Week Tonight or The Daily Show during his involvement with it is listed on his page, but awards received by specific directors/producers are not listed.


 * As for the last comment on crediting, I'm not completely sure what you mean, I apologize. If you're referring to the 2016 WGA nom for The Daily Show, Oliver's name is listed in the source. Lastly, the reason for the haste is because most of the overhaul was completed in my sandbox, and I just pasted it into the article. Thank you for your interest in the article! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 01:37, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with Indopug about the nominations. This isn't a list of awards for Last Week Tonight; it's a list of awards for Oliver. (I raised the issues at an earlier FLC, and even with the rules being cited for the Golden Globes in that case, I wasn't super convinced the award should have been included. These cases seem even weaker.) If he's not being recognized specifically in the nomination, I would exclude him per WP:OR. RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:17, 9 May 2023 (UTC)


 * "any award received by just Last Week Tonight or The Daily Show during his involvement with it is listed on his page"—Shouldn't you include The Daily Show for 2015 Critics Choice because (1) he was involved and (2) the source says it was given to the show and not to a specific person. Similarly, why not list the "best comedy" noms season 1 and 2 of Community received? He was once a guest on Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee, should he be credited here with any awards that season won?
 * I'm asking these questions to say what RunningTiger123 has already said: you criteria is too vague as to which of his work is included here.—indopug (talk) 05:29, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I see your points, and thanks for clarifying that for me. I've pruned the table of any awards for shows, unless Oliver's name is specifically credited in the source. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 11:45, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Indopug, I've implemented the changes suggested; would you consider re-reviewing? I would be very grateful, and I greatly appreciate your comments! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 23:24, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I've struck my oppose out. I'll try to revisit with a detailed review over the weekend.—indopug (talk) 07:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Indopug, checking in. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 23:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Indopug, gentle reminder about this nom- it's totally ok if you don't want to review, just checking in. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 21:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Comments by RunningTiger123
— RunningTiger123 (talk) 18:12, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Infobox totals need to be updated. Also, note that all wins should be counted as nominations – for instance, Oliver has 1 win and 1 nomination for the Grammy Awards.
 * All cases of "The Daily Show..." should sort by "Daily", not "The"
 * For "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart Presents Earth (The Audiobook)", don't capitalize "with"
 * Heading for "Notes and References" should be "Notes and references"
 * Per MOS:LAYOUTEL, use a bullet for the external link
 * Awards from the Producers Guild of America have specific nominees and should be included for Oliver


 * Hey @RunningTiger123, thanks for your comments! I think I've addressed everything- just to note, for your second bullet point, I acknowledge that but didn't see anywhere on the article where that needed to be fixed other than the 'See also' section; was there a specific spot you were referring to? MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) <small style="font-size:40%;">(still no) 23:23, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Since the table is sortable, the cells for The Daily Show need a different sort key. You can set a sort key using . See WP:SORT for more. RunningTiger123 (talk) 23:39, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @RunningTiger123 Ah, I see then- it's been fixed! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:40%;">(still no) 00:51, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Support – RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:07, 14 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * "John Oliver is an British" - "an British"....?
 * Think that's it :=) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:03, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @ChrisTheDude, fixed, thanks for your comment! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:40%;">(still no) 22:11, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:21, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Source review
I will try not to screw this up.

Version reviewed

Formatting
 * fn 2: Fix MOS:QINQ issue
 * fn 3: New York Observer → ''The New York Observer
 * fn 4: I believe The Kennedy Centre is a publisher, not a work (so it shouldn't be italicised)
 * fn 5: TIME → Time
 * fn 5, 8: mark as |url-access=limited
 * Fixed above five comments. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:40%;">(still no) 16:38, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Critics Choice Association, National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences, Grammy Awards, Academy of Television Arts & Sciences, MTV and Writers Guild of America should not be italicised
 * Per MOS:CONFORMTITLE, italicise titles of works in citation titles
 * Also per MOS:CONFORMTITLE, make sure citation titles are all in title-case (refer to MOS:5LETTER) or sentence-case
 * Think I addressed the above three for every citation, let me know you spot one I missed. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:40%;">(still no) 16:38, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Reliability
 * fn 2: per WP:SALON.COM, there is no consensus on Salon reliability. I would recommend removing it in an FL.
 * Replaced with The Hollywood Reporter. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:40%;">(still no) 16:38, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Verifiability

This is my least favourite part. If I don't do it by tomorrow, drop a ping because otherwise I will procrastinate forevermore (I mean, I might still wander off but a ping makes it less likely). Pamzeis (talk) 14:39, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The preceding comment and this made me laugh- will do. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:40%;">(still no) 16:38, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I don't make people laugh often so I appreciate that. Anyways, spotchecks (Version reviewed):

That seems to be it. Ping me in your replies! Pamzeis (talk) 08:53, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: there are certain sources I can not access at the moment so I will AGF on those
 * fn 1 & 4 support: "and soon after, HBO announced Oliver would receive his own talk show. Since 2014, he has hosted Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, for which he is best known." — I can't seem to find the bit that supports "soon after, HBO announced" or "since 2014". Could you clarify where in which article?
 * The citations there are supporting the claim that he's best known for Last Week Tonight. As I understood it, the rest doesn't need to be cited because it's a lead paragraph, but I can see how that'd be confusing- regardless, added citations for the rest. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:40%;">(still no) 13:38, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Is there a reason there's no "work" for the Critics' Choice and MTV Awards? Because they seem to be nominating his work on Last Week Tonight and stuff.
 * The awards from those organizations were for Oliver himself as a host- see the statement right under the header, "Awards, honours, or nominations for Oliver himself are indicated with a hyphen (—)." MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:40%;">(still no) 13:38, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, "Additionally, Oliver co-hosted the satirical" until "2019 remake of The Lion King" is unsourced?
 * I didn't think it needed to be because it's a lead- added citations. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:40%;">(still no) 13:38, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Think I've addressed everything, thank you very much for the review! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:40%;">(still no) 13:38, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Everything seems fine now! Passing the source review. Pamzeis (talk) 13:42, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Comments from BennyOnTheLoose
Not much to say from me, looks good. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your review, I've addressed your comments. Best of luck in the WikiCup! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:40%;">(still no) 02:27, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I published the changes suggested by the "Fix sources" script; I think the only actual effect was to add the hyphen into Chicago Sun-Times.
 * Any reason why three publications have an ISSN mentioned, but others don't?
 * Likely added by citation bot- removed ISSNs for consistency
 * It's not a requirement for a featured list, as far as I know, but ALT text could be added for the image per MOS:ALT.
 * Added
 * Looking at MOS:CURRENT, I wonder whether "for which he is best known" should be reworded. (I'm not sure that the sources cited explicitly support this anyway, but I'm happy to be pointed to the relevant text.)
 * Cut statement and citations connected to it


 * Support I couldn't see anything else. Good luck for the WikiCup to you too! Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:39, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Promoting. -- Pres N  17:33, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


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