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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

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List of awards and nominations received by Lecrae

 * Nominator(s): 3family6  ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 15:18, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it only failed the previous review due to a lack of attention from reviewers. All the concerns from the previous review were addressed. Hopefully this time it will get some more attention. 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 15:18, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Comments by jfhutson
Overall it looks like a complete and well-formatted list. Let me know when you've addressed the above and I'll give it a second look. --JFH (talk) 02:43, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * "No. 1" spell it out I think
 * Wikilink Billboard charts not the mag
 * "In 2011, his fourth album..." Long complex sentence and the first comma might not be necessary.
 * The Sketch the Journalist article seems (forgive me) a little sketch. It seems promotional, especially with the exhortation to prayer at the end.
 * "In 2013, Lecrae became the first hip hop artist to win the Grammy Award for Best Gospel Album for his sixth album Gravity (2012)." Could mean the achievement is winning with one's sixth album.
 * In the intro to the BET Awards list, you don't say which award before "this award".
 * Be consistent with "hip hop" vs. "hip-hop".
 * "The Stellar Awards is an awards show that honor artists" honors
 * Couple WP:DUPLINKS, check out this script
 * I've made all the fixes (and I forgot that I'd installed the duplinks script). With the Sketch the Journalist source, I agree that the tone is rather informal and seems promotional. With the exhortation to prayer, I've often seen this done in Christian hip hop-specialized media (possibly some Christian media in general, I don't remember well). The piece as a whole is an opinion essay, but Sketch is a professional journalist, and so I thought that for the statement it is supporting (that Church Clothes was the to date the most important CHH album) the source was fine.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 16:48, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The claim that it's the most important album rings alarm bells (WP:PEACOCK). I expect it to be backed up by a very good source, and then you'd want to attribute the source in-text (WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV) unless you can show some kind of consensus among critics of this music that this is the most important album. I also looked closer at the article, and I think it'd be more accurate to say Sketch thinks this may be the most important album. Another problem is that he's writing about an album that hadn't been released at the time of writing, so it's not credible that he could have a well-founded opinion on its importance. --JFH (talk) 02:24, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll concede to that argument. I'll take that bit out on all the articles where it is mentioned.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 02:40, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

OK, a second pass:
 * I'm not sure whether "Cypher" is a proper noun in this context. Also, is there another word you can use or a wikilink? I'll let you be the judge of whether that word will be understood by the audience for this page (I had to Google it).
 * I linked "2011 BET Hip Hop Awards Cypher" to BET Hip Hop Awards, as this is a proper noun in this case but the wikilink will explain that it is the name for the performance.


 * I think "Gospel Albums Chart" is a proper noun?
 * Correct.


 * For the "most important album" claim, even with the reliable critical source, you need to WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. The critic is providing a subjective judgement.
 * I added an additional source, Atlanta Daily World, and attributed the statement to Rapzilla and World.


 * Don't spell out "one hundred fifty" (WP:NUMBERS)
 * Done.


 * "Lecrae has received five Stellar nominations, of which he has won three." He won three awards, not nominations. There are several similar constructions. You could say he was nominated for five awards and won three, or he has received three awards from five nominations (as the featured List of awards and nominations received by Katy Perry does).
 * I think I fixed all of these.


 * FN 8, don't need a publisher which is nearly the same as the work (Template:Cite web)
 * Done.


 * FN 12, the via param is for the content deliverer. This would be if the article was first published somewhere else and then you read it on the AP's website. In this case, it looks like the AP has copyrighted the article, but there's no indication it was published anywhere else, and if anything Billboard would be the content deliverer. I would just delete the via param.
 * Done.


 * FN 19 link doesn't work
 * I added an archived version of the url.


 * FN 23 is a case for a via param. The document appears to be a news release of the GMA (I would see if you can find it direct from their site and I would use Template:Cite press release). You are getting it via News Release Tuesday. It does not appear to be part of any larger work called News Release Tuesday, so nothing should go in the website parameter.
 * I replaced this source with an archived version of the Dove Awards nominations page.


 * I'd say NRT Media is another case where the publisher param should be left blank as substantially similar to the work News Release Tuesday.
 * Done.

Overall the sources look reputable. I don't see them as making controversial statements (except the "most important album" one), so I'm not worried about the fact that I don't know much about them. --JFH (talk) 02:30, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * All issues mentioned here are addressed. Any others that are outstanding?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 17:46, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Support, all my issues have been addressed. --JFH (talk) 00:20, 7 June 2016 (UTC) {{hidden|Resolved comments from Mymis (talk) 18:42, 15 July 2016 (UTC)|headerstyle=background-color:#bc7db4|content=

Comments by Mymius
Mymis (talk) 15:43, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If you decide put comma after "In 2007, "; then put commas after "In 2011 his f...", "he following year L...", "In 2011 his four...", "The following year he gar", "That year Le"
 * "number 1" -> "number one"
 * before Billboard add U.S.
 * "in Christian hip hop history" -> I think "the" is needed
 * "and the Billboard 200" -> U.S. needed too
 * BET Awards already happened for this year
 * "sponsored by Billboard magazine" -> add "the"
 * "and streaming data, as well data on" -> remove first "data" or paraphrase to avoid two "data"
 * "over one hundred fifty" -> over 150
 * you can add "External links" section with his Allmusic entry
 * Grammy.org is not needed together with National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences
 * Soul Train is a TV show, should be linked to awards how article
 * Prometheus Global Media is linked twice
 * Billboard Music Awards. Billboard. -> Billboard Music Awards
 * All but one of these were addressed in my latest edit, please let me know if I missed a link or something. However with "'in Christian hip hop history" -> I think "the" is needed'" - can you please explain? The sentence already says "the most important album in Christian hip hop history." Do you think it should read "the most important album in the Christian hip hop history?" Isn't that a little superfluous?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 21:33, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

You're probably right. Some more suggestions:
 * Stellar Awards -> Stellar Awards. And "Central City Productions" not necessary


 * Grammy.org -> National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences


 * About.com -> About.com, same with AXS, BET, GMA Dove Awards, Christian Broadcasting Network


 * Ref 25 should be formatted the same way as Ref 21


 * In the infobox, the number of nominations is nominations+wins, so BET Awards -> wins: 1, nominations: 3; the same for all sections.


 * It's not necessary, but if you're up to, you could add another section for references in all the tables, like in List of awards and nominations received by Katy Perry, for example.


 * "Lecrae has received five Stellar nominations" -> "Lecrae has received five Stellar Award nominations" or just "five nominations"


 * "Lecrae has received one nomination for this award." -> just "Lecrae has received one nomination".

Mymis (talk) 08:19, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * -- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 14:58, 12 July 2016 (UTC)


 * That is very odd, I just checked featured lists of awards and nominations (here) and almost all of them are formatted in the way I said. It's up to you I believe, really not sure.


 * You added another section for refs, but the tables do not look good as "notes" section is too wide. does not seem to be very useful, you can format them by adding:

Ref.

|-

Mymis (talk) 15:43, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The article looks good, I'll be happy to support it once you fix the ref sections.
 * I've encountered this same discrepancy on other FL awards lists - I'm surprised that there is this inconsistency, I'm not sure where that developed. For now, until it's resolved, I'll opt for the documentation, as that is something that is explicitly stated.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 20:25, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Both the awards tables apparently are not that useful for artist awards, so I'm not sure what they are actually good for. I'll work on implementing your recommendation.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 20:25, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * How do I implement your suggestion? I've been trying to get it to work, but I can't get the table to work correctly.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 00:02, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

It's realy not that hard, just use some other article like an example to properly format it. (like List of awards and nominations received by Katy Perry, for example) Mymis (talk) 09:27, 14 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I got it to work. Before I was using a pipe character instead of an exclamation point in the wikitext. Everything should be finished, now. Any other outstanding issues?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 17:41, 15 July 2016 (UTC)}}

All the issues were fixed, you have my support, good luck! Mymis (talk) 18:42, 15 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Review by PresN

Recusing myself as a delegate


 * "for his sixth album Gravity (2012)" - in the end of the last paragraph you already talked about Gravity coming out in 2012, so you don't need to repeat the release year
 * The tables are missing rowscopes, which are required for WP:ACCESS-compliance so that all screen readers can parse them correctly. That is to say, every row that is e.g.

should be

If you don't like the way it bolds the first column, you can instead use '!scope="row" style="font-weight:normal;"|'.


 * The first BET table is really wide for some reason; it can be fixed by changing the initial code to


 * There's a wandering ">" in the GMA Dove Awards table after 2013
 * Other than that, looks pretty standard. -- Pres N  21:27, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Source Review


 * Formatting: Refs 15,16,30,31,32- drop the ALLCAPS for words in favor of title case (Grammy, Hip-Hop Award, etc.). Ref 26 is a dead link- should be archived or replaced.
 * Spotchecks: Checked refs 6, 11, 23, 29, 33, 38 - ref 11 covers only his nomination for that award, not his win; same for 29 for his 2 Dove wins it solely covers
 * Completeness: Nothing obviously missing.

-- Pres N  21:27, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know what I did wrong, but, as you can see, something went wrong. How do I have only the first column "year nominee award result" be bold, and the rest normal font?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 22:15, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed it for you- other than a few extraneous "|" symbols that got left behind, the two problems were that a) if you declare a rowscope, you have to have a line break before you have the rest of the row and b) you only declare rowscopes for the first cell in the row; if you have a rowspan, you don't need to declare rowscopes again for the 2nd cell of the joined rows. Now Support, source review still pending. -- Pres N  19:00, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I figured I was doing something wrong, but I didn't have the patience to trouble-shoot it last night. I'll work on the sources.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 22:47, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * All sourcing issues should be resolved.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 03:48, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Source Review passed -- Pres N  01:32, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

– Gavin (talk) 08:47, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
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