Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of carnivorans/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 25 April 2021 (UTC).

List of carnivorans

 * Nominator(s):  Pres N  03:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

For nearly two years, I've been nominating lists of species in Carnivora (felids/canids/mustelids/procyonids/ursids/mephitids/viverrids/herpestids/pinnipeds), covering all of the families of animals in the order that could support a list. Above them, however, was a parent list: List of carnivorans (ex. List of species in order Carnivora), which was a simple bulleted list of all of the species in the order. It couldn't be supplanted by the child lists: 4 of the 15 families are too small to support a list, and the concept of "everything in the order" made sense. But a list that had 11 "main" templates and 4 tiny sections wasn't much use to readers, nor was a mile-long duplicative series of tables. So, we arrive at a capstone FLC: Instead of duplicating the child lists by using the same tables to cover all 285 species, we pull back a level to match the scope going up a level, and have tables covering the 129 genera in the order Carnivora, letting viewers see the relationships at that level with child lists to drill down further into individual families. I hope it is interesting to read! Thanks for reviewing. -- Pres N  03:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Good choice to do by genus!
 * "different" before "body plans" is superfluous
 * Collage selection is nice
 * Subfamily Ailurinae (Gray, 1843) – one genera" and elsewhere: should be one genus
 * "Members of the Canidae family are canids, and include..." and similar elsewhere shouldn't have a comma.
 * "Members of the Mustelidae family are mustelids, and are composed of" It's not 'members are composed of', should be 'members include' like the others
 * I see the pattern for those with multiple species but it's not clear why some genus names have a common name under them and not others
 * I think the diets overuse the word "Primarily". I think it can generally be assumed these are not exhaustive or exclusive lists of everything they can eat. Heck, you can leave off the "eats" and just have a plain list without being a sentence. Though looking at some of the other lists this is used in all of them and I'm surprised I hadn't noticed it before.
 * Odobenidae: lowercase walrus
 * Looking forward to supporting at FTC as well! Reywas92Talk 20:16, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Addressed all issues, thanks for the compliment! The common names are where the genus has one (and has more than one species); most don't- for example, Canis includes both some wolves and the coyote and golden jackal; there's no common name for the group. It's uncommon enough that I'm willing to drop the whole thing as being awkward for readers. -- Pres N  03:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I would otherwise suggest removing the parentheses and putting the common name with every genus but yeah since many don't have a single one maybe someone else has a suggestion. Nice work, Support. If you have a chance, a review at Featured list candidates/National recreation area/archive1 would be appreciated. Reywas92Talk 19:28, 12 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * "Carnivora can be divided into two suborders: the cat-like Feliformia and the dog-like Caniformia, which are differentiated based on the structure of their ear bones and cranial features." - is there a ref for that sentence in the lead, particularly the last clause? I can't see it sourced anywhere in the body of the article (everything else not cited in the lead seems to be covered by citations in the tables)
 * I can see both "molluscs" and "mollusks" used - personally I didn't even realise it could be spelt both ways but better to be consistent on one or the other
 * That's all I got - fantastic work on this list (and the whole topic)! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:22, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Now cited; fixed spelling to "molluscs" - that's the 'correct' scientific spelling (since the genus is mollusca), even if 'mollusks' is a used variant, and it was actually a typo- I didn't realize the k version was a thing and my browser's spellcheck didn't flag it. Thanks! -- Pres N  03:32, 14 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:02, 14 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Support Nothing caught my eye. Admirable work. ~ HAL  333  15:59, 15 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Support and thank you for making these lists so wonderful. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 20:26, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Support passes my source review -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 03:48, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Since this is mine I can't promote it without a signoff from you (since Giants is still off) that it's okay. -- Pres N  22:41, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * sure, I'll take a look first. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 06:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Comments
 * Plenty of duplicate links, even in the lead, e.g. cats, dogs, Eupleridae, Viverridae, Herpestidae ...
 * Removed the duplicate links in the lead and overview sections


 * Why is only one sentence of the lead cited?
 * Most of the lead is a summary of the tables; the part that isn't (how Caniformia and Feliformia are differentiated) is cited. There was another sentence, but that should have been cited outside of the lead and now is.


 * "Caniformia" is sometimes capitalised mid-sentence, sometimes not, what's the approach?
 * Should be capitalized, now is


 * "'divided into 14 genera and placed inside a single extant subfamily, Caninae" vs "Subfamily Caninae (G. Fischer de Waldheim, 1817) – thirteen genera" i.e. 14 v 13.
 * Fixed, and checked all the other sections for that as well


 * "tail (Wolf)[10]" in sentence case, no need to capitalise.
 * At first I had wanted them all to be capitalized as it's not quite a sentence, but as per below I drifted away from that. Now all in sentence case.


 * "neritic marine" what is that?
 * Moved link to first instance


 * "plus 1 cm (0 in) tail" unhelpful conversion.
 * Removed unhelpful 1 cm conversions


 * "Racoon" typo.
 * Fixed


 * "(brown bear) " etc, you have previously capitalised first word of these names... Quite a few of these.
 * Fixed per above


 * "composed of a two extant species" eh? And one shown.
 * Fixed


 * ISBNs should be consistently formatted.
 * They are (well, fixed one that was off)- ISBNs are formatted a-b-c-d-e, where each section isn't a consistent length but the total length is 13. I formatted all of these using the Library of Congress ISBN formatter.

The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 08:23, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Some embarrassing inconsistencies here. All fixed now, I think. -- Pres N  13:55, 24 April 2021 (UTC)


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