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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was archived by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 6 March 2024 (UTC).

List of chief ministers from the Indian National Congress

 * Nominator(s): 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS  🍁 06:14, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

I am re-nominating this for a featured list because the last nomination yielded no results. Although all issues have been addressed in a timely manner, please feel free to provide your constructive inputs, and I will do my best to resolve them. Much Thanks 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS  🍁 06:14, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose – I hate to oppose a FLC so quickly, but the list has fundamental issues with sourcing and formatting. Many tables do not have their own sources and would seem to all be sourced from worldstatesmen.org, which was deprecated in a 2020 RfC. The lead also has large unsourced sections. The tables have wildly differing formats – for instance, table headings are included in some, omitted from others, and incorrectly formatted as rows in some cases. Each table should be structured the same way per WP:FLCR #1 ("professional standards of writing" include consistency to me, as different formats look sloppy) and #5a ("suitable use of text layout, formatting, [and] tables"). Other immediate issues include links in section headings (violates MOS:NOSECTIONLINKS), incorrect sorting (names in sortable tables should sort by last name), and missing alt text for images. RunningTiger123 (talk) 23:26, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Original !vote struck. See my comment below. RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Looking through the article now, it looks like formatting and citations have been broadly addressed. I'll add new comments in a bit. RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:57, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

New review: Pausing here; will continue shortly. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Lead generally looks fine, though I didn't carefully reread it since I already commented on it
 * I noticed you hid the table captions for sections with only one table. I understand the reasoning – I generally do the same thing – but in this case, I would suggest showing the heading in all cases so you can link to the state/union territory, since those are otherwise unlinked. (Just makes it easier for readers who aren't familiar with Indian states like me.) ✅
 * Andhra Pradesh: ✅
 * Link for Hyderabad State should go to Hyderabad State (1948–1956)
 * Move the second listing for Kotla Vijaya Bhaskara Reddy up to be with the first for consistency
 * Still skeptical that ref. 18 – a 1953 law – can support information through the present
 * Assam: Add link for 8th assembly ✅
 * Bihar: ✅
 * Remove space before reference (WP:CITEFOOT) – same for Delhi, Goa, Gujarat, Haryana, Jammu and Kashmir
 * Make the first table sortable for consistency
 * Delhi: ✅
 * Ref. 24 is deprecated
 * Ref. 17 seems to discuss the wrong state?
 * Add links to Delhi in caption
 * Goa:✅
 * Numbering for assemblies seems off
 * Link Goa, Daman and Diu
 * Gujarat:✅
 * Move the second listing for Solanki to be with the first
 * Term lengths for Desai, Patel, and Solanki use the wrong format
 * Himachal Pradesh:✅
 * Suggest moving the key (this applies for all sections with one) to its own section before all other tables
 * First table should use "Chief Ministers" (plural) – as best as I can tell, you've opted to use singular when there is one person in a table and plural otherwise
 * First table is unsourced
 * Link should be to Bilaspur State (1950–1954)
 * Second table should not be sortable
 * Do not use forced line breaks in the assembly cell for Parmar. Suggest splitting the cell into two rows, one for "1" and one for "2"
 * Rohru should not have row scope
 * Karnataka:✅
 * First table should only say "1" in assembly cell – no need for other details
 * Same in second table
 * "Third" should not be spelled out; also, split "3" and "4" into separate rows
 * ❌ I tried best to split but it's not happening. Could you please help me segregating it -- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS  🍁 12:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:46, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot mate  25 CENTS VICTORIOUS  🍁 16:33, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Add asterisk to mark Siddaramaiah as incumbent
 * Kerala: Second table is unsourced✅
 * Madhya Pradesh:✅
 * Link to states in captions
 * Use "Chief Ministers" (plural) in captions
 * Disable plain row headers in third table
 * Arjun Singh does not sort correctly
 * "Eighth" should not be spelled out
 * Continuing:

— RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:07, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Maharashtra:✅
 * WP:CITEFOOT
 * "NA" → "N/A" (same for Rajasthan, Telangana)
 * Second table should not be sortable
 * Ashok Chavan's terms are non-consecutive and need separate time spans
 * Meghalaya: "Days" should be lowercase for Rymbai✅
 * Mizoram: I'm assuming the 1984 elections should be written as "1"?✅
 * Nagaland: Split "5" and "6" into separate rows for Sema✅
 * Odisha:✅
 * Remove "pre-independent" from assembly cells
 * Several months are abbreviated and should be spelled out
 * Choudhury should be listed before Mahatab in second table
 * Biswal was not just in the 11th assembly
 * Punjab:✅
 * Footnotes f and g are unsourced (could just be removed) – same for footnotes h and i under Tripura
 * Add link to PEPSU
 * Use "Chief Ministers" (plural) in third table
 * Name sorting is incorrect in third table
 * Amarinder Singh's terms are in the wrong order; he should also be moved up based on his first term
 * Beant Singh sorts incorrectly
 * Rajasthan:✅
 * Sukhadia's time spans should be split
 * Mather's first time span is wrong
 * Tamil Nadu:✅
 * Link states in captions
 * Remove link from "Assembly" in header
 * Rajagopalachari's time span is incorrect
 * Uttar Pradesh: "Portrait" is misspelled✅
 * West Bengal:✅
 * Do not force line break in constituency cell
 * Footnote l implies Roy served in 3rd assembly, but table does not show this
 * I would highly suggest using citation templates to ensure the references use the same format throughout the article – WP:CITE doesn't require any specific format but does say to use a single consistent format, and templates are the easiest way to do that.

Some other points not to do with table formatting:
 * Comments
 * "As of 3 Dec, 2023," - the date should be written properly i.e. month not abbreviated
 * "is in power in 3 states" - numbers lower than ten should be written as words
 * Also, in that sentence it should be "the three states of....."
 * "In Tamil Nadu, Bihar & Jharkhand" - "and" should be written as a word
 * "Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, Janata Dal (United) & Jharkhand Mukti Morcha respectively" - and here too
 * "most of the States" - no reason for capital S on states
 * "who served as the chief minister of Delhi held the office" - last three words are not needed
 * "who was chief minister of Manipur for 15 years and 11 days" / "served as chief minister of Assam for 15 years, 6 days" - why the different format? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:35, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @ChrisTheDude all ✅. Please have a look. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS  🍁 11:34, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @ChrisTheDude Could you please review the list and suggest any additional corrections if needed? Thank you. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS  🍁 16:52, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Has the stuff raised been addressed? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:40, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The issues I've raised seemed to have been broadly addressed with smaller cleanup still needed. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:08, 28 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Seeking your advise on any further requirements. Thank you-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS  🍁 04:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


 * MPGuy2824's comments
 * The only ref for the PEPSU tables doesn't talk about the entries present.


 * I'm sure you can find a better source than elections.in used for Andhra Pradesh.


 * Given that Gegong Apang is the longest serving INC chief minister, you should add his total time as CM in the lead. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:18, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello Have a look now.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS  🍁 12:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello Have a look now.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS  🍁 12:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)


 * PEPSU: The tribune link doesn't talk about Raghbir Singh being "Premier of PEPSU" before 1952. Also, the only ref for CMs of PEPSU still doesn't talk about either of the list entries.
 * please have a look and let me know if it's good to go.


 * AP: You've replaced the ref with a oneindia.com one. A few editors don't consider it reliable.
 * I apologies, had no idea about oneindia.com not being reliable.


 * Lead:"Deputy Chief Minister is a member of" to "The deputy Chief Minister".


 * Lead: "While not a constitutional office, it seldom carries any specific powers." to "It is not a constitutional office, and seldom carries any specific powers." -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Let me know if there are more points to be addressed. Thank you.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 13:12, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Let me know if there are more points to be addressed. Thank you.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 13:12, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Do either of you intent to return to your reviews of this nomination? -- Pres N  19:58, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I think I'm done reviewing this FL. At best I'd change my !vote to neutral leaning oppose; there are still some unaddressed items and I'm tired of sinking time into this repeating points and rechecking entire sections. I think hits the points pretty well – the incorrect link change for Bilaspur State (1950–1954) is small but mildly irritating; more importantly, it goes in the wrong direction by adding a source that I've said is deprecated multiple times. I also didn't dig too far into most sources, but a proper source review would probably turn up more stuff.  I appreciate the work you've put into this list, but I said earlier "FLC is not cleanup" and I'm drawing the line on my cleanup help here. RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello @RunningTiger123, @ChrisTheDude @MPGuy2824 @PresN This list is quite lengthy, and because of that, it's becoming tough to clean. I have tried my best to bring it up to FL level. If the list still requires significant improvement, please mention those points and conclude the review. If it needs only minor work, please let me know those points. Thank you. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS  🍁 13:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

This nomination has been open for 3 months; in that time, it has received no supports, and one review that I would still count as an oppose. Just flipping through the list, I see inconsistencies in how each table is captioned (are the years the state existed included or not?), and no explanations of how the state boundaries have changed and been renamed over time despite being the source of table breaks. You can't sort by length of office (only beginning date); people who served in multiple successive legislatures in some cases (Arunachal Pradesh) are listed multiple times with each session individually, but for others (Assam) they aren't; if you sort by date where there isn't a gap then (again for Assam) someone in 3 sessions gets 3 rows with the same dates; there's definitely some wonky sources in there (unacadamy?!) as well as formatting problems... long story short, after 3 months and multiple reviews I should be checking if this is overdue for promotion, but instead I'm seeing lots of problems. I'm going to archive this nomination. Please make sure to fix all problems, even if the list is long, before renominating. -- Pres N  20:39, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


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