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List of commanders of the British 4th Division

 * Nominator(s): EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 21:16, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Next up in a series of lists about general officers commanding British divisions, is those for the 4th Division. It was raised for the first time in 1809 for service in the Napoleonic Wars, and then again for service in the Crimean and the Second Boer Wars. In the early 1900s, new 4th Divisions were formed, renumbered, and formed again. It served in the First World War and the Second World Wars, and was raised, disbanded, and renamed a whole bunch of times through to its final disbanding. Three of the individuals listed were killed in action, five were wounded, and one was captured.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 21:16, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * "The 4th Division was an infantry division of the British Army and was first formed in 1809 and disbanded for the final time in 2012" - "The 4th Division was an infantry division of the British Army which was first formed in 1809 and disbanded for the final time in 2012" reads better, I think
 * Tweaked per your suggestionEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 02:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikilink Napoleonic Wars
 * Already linked in the infobox, table, and in the lede: "As the British military grew in size during...". Am I missing somewhere a link should go?EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 02:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * No column does not sort correctly - if you sort on another column and then sort on No, all the Acting/Temporary/Vacant rows go to the bottom
 * Do you have any advice on how to get the table to sort correctly?
 * You've got a "vacant" row after Colville, but not after Alexander Campbell, even though the note suggests that the post was vacant for three months
 * Good point. Vacant line removed, and expanded upon Colville note to explainEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 02:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "On 11 April 1815, the division was reformed in Southern Netherlands" => "On 11 April 1815, the division was reformed in the Southern Netherlands"
 * TweakedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 02:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, no vacant row after the many Inkerman commanders, even though there seems to have been no commander for seven months. Either have vacant rows whenever there was a vacancy or just dispense with them and let the notes deal with it
 * I have tweaked the note as Campbell held command (as a temporary appointment) through to the next year.
 * That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:19, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your review and comments. I have attempted to address your concerns, and have left comments and questions above.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 02:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:34, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Comments from Dank
 * Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
 * I see Chris has looked at column one ... I didn't really follow what's going on there, but I'll defer on that.
 * In the "Notes" column, you're sorting "The division" under "T" and "A new" under "A". I don't have a problem with this ... I get that it's really not all that important to sort this column correctly. For this reason, the way that columns like these are usually handled at FLC is just to not sort them at all, but maybe this is a picky objection, so it's your call, you can leave it as is if you like.
 * Checking the FLC criteria:
 * 1. I'll piggyback on Chris's prose review. The table coding seems fine. I checked sorting on all sortable columns and sampled the links in the table.
 * 2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
 * 3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
 * 3b. The article is well-sourced to reliable sources, and the UPSD tool isn't indicating any actual problems (but this isn't a source review). All relevant retrieval dates are present.
 * 3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
 * 4. It is navigable.
 * 5. It meets style requirements. At a glance, the one image seems fine ... I see there's some disagreement over the license, but I'm not the guy to ask about that.
 * 6. It is stable.
 * Support. Well done. - Dank (push to talk) 01:08, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the review and comments. I have made one change to the article, by removing the ability to sort by the notes column, after you highlighted that above.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 04:28, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Comments from TRM
That's enough for now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:42, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Please see my review on the 3rd Division list and ensure that the general issues mentioned there are implemented here.
 * Could link killed in action.
 * When sorting by "No." it goes all out of numerical order. That needs to be fixed.  Ah I see why.  You're using No. to mean "exclusive" so people re-taking command are given the same number.  That's confusing indeed.
 * Major General or Major-General?
 * Linked items should be linked every time in a sortable table because after a re-sort there's no way of knowing which instance comes first.
 * Consistency with full stops in the Description column please. Full sentences should use one, fragments should not.
 * Are there periods where no GOC was in place, e.g. you have James Dick-Cunyngham dying in office yet not being replaced after his death for three weeks.
 * Allard, a Canadian! So are there any other non-British GOCs here?  They seem significant and should be highlighted.

hasn't edited for a month, looks like this one might need to be archived. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:56, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Giants2008 ( Talk ) 01:18, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
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