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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC).

List of current United States governors

 * Nominator(s):  Sounder Bruce  21:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I stumbled across this list a few months ago and was shocked to see it was almost completely uncited despite being well-trafficked with tens of thousands of monthly views. I have cleaned up the list and added supporting text where needed and feel that it is a viable FL in its current state. This is my first foray into a political FL, so any advice is appreciated.  Sounder Bruce  21:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Comments from Steelkamp
 * "Four U.S. territories". This can be shortened to "Four territories".
 * Fixed.
 * I'm not sure it's correct to say that "Four U.S. territories have Democratic governors" when Puerto Rico has a governor from the "New Progressive Party". Can this be reworded?
 * Reducing count to three; I think the next sentence sufficiently explains the Puerto Rico situation.
 * "All 55 state and territorial governors are members of the non-partisan National Governors Association as well as the partisan Democratic Governors Association and Republican Governors Association." This reads as all governors being part of the Democratic Governors Association and Republican Governors Association. I recommend rewording to "All 55 state and territorial governors are members of the non-partisan National Governors Association as well as either the partisan Democratic Governors Association or Republican Governors Association.
 * Reworked entirely to flow better by explaining the NGA first.
 * I'm not sure the sectioning layout works here. The first paragraph under "State governors" mentions territory governors as well. Do those governor statistics in the second paragraph include territory governors? Maybe the first paragraph should be moved up to the lead.
 * Moved up the paragraph that applies to both state and territorial governors; the second paragraph is solely about state governors per the source.
 * Starting a sentence with a number should be avoided as per MOS:NUMBERS.
 * Reworded.
 * "46 of the governors are non-Hispanic white, while one is Hispanic, one is Black, and one is Native American." Is this meant to add up to 50?
 * Fixed, the source mentions two Hispanic governors.
 * I don't think National Governors Association should be linked in the see also section as it is already linked earlier in the article.
 * Removed.
 * I don't think the "Prior public experience" column should be sortable.
 * Removed sortability.
 * And the federal district mayor table shouldn't be sortable at all.
 * Removed sortability.
 * Wyoming Treasurer could be red linked. (surprising that doesn't already have an article)
 * Added link to an existing redirect.
 * The National Governors Association is explained in two different paragraphs: the second and third paragraphs. I would remove any mention of the National Governors Association from the second paragraph.
 * Merged the mentions.

Sourcing


 * I don't think source 5 mentions the Minnesota Democratic–Farmer–Labor Party, which makes that unsourced.
 * Added a note and source.
 * Much of the prior political experience column is unsupported by source 13.
 * Moved the citations to individual profiles to support this information on a row-by-row basis.
 * That's a good idea, but I've noticed that the individual profiles don't always support the prior political experience. For example, the source for J. B. Pritzker doesn't mention the Illinois Human Rights Commission or the Hillary Clinton 2008 presidential campaign, and the source for Dan McKee doesn't mention he was mayor of Cumberland or on the Cumberland Town Council.
 * Tossed out the positions I couldn't find in the re-added experience chart or the blurbs on the NGA website. The territorial governors now have additional citations where needed.
 * There are still some problems with the sourcing of the prior political experience: Sources don't support that Sarah Huckabee Sanders was a deputy press secretary, that Gretchen Whitmer was Minority Leader of the Michigan Senate, that Michelle Lujan Grisham was on the Bernalillo County Commission, that Roy Cooper was Majority Leader of the North Carolina Senate, or that	Spencer Cox was a member of the Sanpete County Commission.
 * The source URL for Kathy Hochul is wrong.
 * Thanks for the review. I believe I have addressed the issues you've raised.  Sounder Bruce  03:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've added two more comments. Steelkamp (talk) 07:14, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Replied above. Thanks again for the review.  Sounder Bruce  02:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Since I don't want us to be stuck in a fix loop, can you go over the sourcing for the prior political experience column again, and then I will perform some more spot checks. Steelkamp (talk) 03:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply, I've been putting this off but managed to make a spreadsheet to crosscheck between the NGA profiles and the Rutgers table. From my look, they cover the prior experience entries for all but 7 entries. I have added supplemental citations to those that aren't explicitly covered (Delaware, Illinois, Michigan, New Mexico, North Carolina, Utah, and American Samoa).  Sounder Bruce  01:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support on prose review and source review. Steelkamp (talk) 15:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Ooh, I had to come here all the way from my California FLC! The list seems pretty good, so I hope none of these are too difficult. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support from Hurricanehink
 * Is it worth indicating that five states don't have a lieutenant governor? I suppose the "most" works, but it led me wondering, and then I forgot I was supposed to be reviewing this. Having that information available would save that wiki hole.
 * Added.
 * "All 55 state and territorial governors are members of the non-partisan National Governors Association, which lobbies the federal government for governors' interests. " - the NGA was already mentioned in the second lead paragraph, so I think its reference in the 3rd lead paragraph should be moved, keeping both mentions of NGA together
 * Fixed, that was duplicated during the move up from the next section.
 * "The average age of governors at the time of their inauguration was 59.28 years old." - considering every age is otherwise listed as a whole year, I suggest rounding this to the whole year. You could always add "about" before 59.
 * Rounded.
 * Could you add how long Inslee has been governor, how old Ivey and Sanders are?
 * As the years are included for all three, I believe it would not be necessary per MOS:CURRENT.
 * "two are Hispanic, one is Black, and one is Native American." - since there are so few, what do you think about indicating who these all are? Otherwise, I have no idea who the Native American governor is (not Hawaii like I thought for a second). Again, I went down a wiki hole when I should have been reviewing this list.
 * Not entirely sure this is needed, since the source states it outright.
 * The source might state it, but someone coming to the article might go away from this article searching for that information. That's something that stands out to me as something that seems missing. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Just a general spotcheck, but where are the references for the previous careers? The ref for Ivey didn't mention her being state auditor.
 * Should be fixed now.
 * As an extension of the spotchecks and references, I notice there's an entire column, but some of the references are under the section for "prior public experience." Is there a reason the references aren't under the reference column? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * How many governors are term-limited? (and thus lame ducks)
 * Great idea, I've added explanations of term limits. Listing the lame ducks would be difficult and likely irrelevant except for a very short period before elections, so I have decided not to add them.
 * Thanks for the review and sorry for the delay. I have replied to your comments above.  Sounder Bruce  02:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, my only two outstanding comments are identifying the Hispanic/Black/Native American governors (since there are so few), and a question about where the references go. I appreciate all of your other fixes. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Added the non-white governors by name and moved citations to the reference column.  Sounder Bruce  05:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @SounderBruce: I think you may have missed this reply to your FLC, so I wanted to ping you to it just in case. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Pinging again. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk )  18:44, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Happy to support now! ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 13:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Comments

 * "The current gubernatorial term ends and new term begins in January of the given year" - don't think those last four words are needed
 * "the term ends in December of that year's election" - or here :-)
 * That's it, I think :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. I removed both but added the election bit to the January section to make it clear that there isn't a year of waiting for the new governor to take office.  Sounder Bruce  05:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

--  EN  - Jungwon  01:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * EN-Jungwon
 * Archive all links
 * Ref 1 add date 14 October 2020
 * Ref 3 is dead
 * Ref 4 change date from March 2011 to May 2011
 * Ref 11, 13, 53, 72, 73, 87 and 89 requires a subscription
 * Ref 29 is showing an "Access Denied" message
 * Reference 29 works for me, so it might be a location-related issue. An archive link has been added to the remaining links.  Sounder Bruce  05:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I have fixed the three citation errors and added URL tags to those that have a paywall. Thanks for the review.  Sounder Bruce  17:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support --  EN  - Jungwon  01:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Image review from Dylan620
Support on image review. Dylan 620 (he/him • talk • edits) 01:31, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * All images have alt text.
 * All images contribute encyclopedic value to the listicle.
 * All images are appropriately licensed for either public domain or Creative Commons.
 * Sourcing for each image checks out, though I did need to do some digging through the Wayback Machine to find archived URLs for some sources that were dead links.

Comments from Staraction
 * Perhaps expand prose section under "Federal district mayor"? The only bit of history present is regarding the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 (which is not mentioned), but I think District of Columbia home rule is probably pretty important to explicitly mention there, maybe even talking about the District of Columbia Home Rule Act. Star action  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 20:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Added a history of DC's chief executive, though sourcing for the commissioners era is sparse.
 * Include table captions per MOS:DTAB - you can convert the current titles (which currently span the twelve columns) to these table captions.
 * Captions are included and use Screen reader-only, but I have made them visible to all readers.
 * You can also probably take the legend for tables out of that section - see United States congressional delegations from Connecticut for an example. The count of governors could be converted to prose, as well, but that's up to you.
 * Moved out of the table.

@SounderBruce Well done with this article and thanks for your efforts in improving it! Star action ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 20:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. I have replied your comments above (and I hope you don't mind me moving them down to maintain chronological order).  Sounder Bruce  06:06, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @SounderBruce Article looks great! Support. Star action  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 11:06, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Promoting. -- Pres N  15:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


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