Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of first African Americans to hold U.S. Cabinet Secretaryships/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Scorpion0422 00:18, 26 November 2008.

List of first African Americans to hold U.S. Cabinet Secretaryships
Created by me, I feel that it is at FL quality. -- Mr.crabby   (Talk)   01:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination is premature. For starters, there are several misspellings to fix. I moved the article to fix the misspelling in the title, but there are others in the article. Additionally, make sure all of the sources you cite are WP:RS. (A featured list would not pass relying on nndb.com, for example.) After you have checked these things, consider asking for peer review before coming back here. --Orlady (talk) 01:31, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Corrected spelling errors I was able to find. Changed NNDB link. -- Mr.crabby   (Talk)   01:45, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

— Chris!  c t 02:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment
 * Why aren't the names of president spelled out?
 * Establishment dates for the department position need references
 * The first column says "department", yet the column is about the positions. I suggest having one column for the positions (eg. Attorney General) and another for the departments (eg. Department of Justice).
 * President names are spelled out now, found references for all but one position, changed title to "position". -- Mr.crabby   (Talk)   02:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Reference does existed. Here is one. It says the dept was created in 2002, not 2003.— Chris!  c t 04:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I just notice that Ref 3 is missing relevant info. (eg.publisher, access date) — Chris!  c t 04:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments (expanded after initial entry)
 * This may sound like a nitpick, but it's important for accuracy. Barack Obama has not yet been elected President of the United States. Under the law, his election doesn't happen until the electoral college meets. Furthermore, until Obama is inaugurated, Colin Powell is still the highest-ranking African American ever. Revise the article to clarify the status (and be mindful of WP:CRYSTAL -- Wikipedia cannot say that Obama will be elected or that he will take office on January 20, but I guess it could refer to his "expected inauguration in January 2009"). --Orlady (talk) 04:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Every entry on this list must be supported by references to reliable sources that support all of the information in the entry, including not only dates of service in the position, but also that the person is African American and was the first African American to hold the position. The entries are all valid, as far as I know, but the sources may not be sufficient. I fixed the entry for Hazel O'Leary by adding an additional reference, but there are other entries that still need additional support. --Orlady (talk) 17:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments -
 * What makes http://mumford1.dyndns.org/cen2000/BlackWhite/BlackDiversityReport/black-diversity01.htm a reliable source?
 * Current ref 3 is lacking last access date and publisher.
 * What makes http://www.aaregistry.com/african_american_history/637/The_first_African_American_secretary_of_state_Colin_Powell a reliable source?
 * What makes http://bbsnews.net/article.php/20061222014017231 a reliable source?
 * Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know if I have the authority to close a nomination, but too many problems have been addressed for me to reasonably fix them in a short amount of time. I'd like to close the nomination and then work on the list and re-nominate once all these problems have been addressed. -- Mr.crabby   (Talk)   00:06, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments : It omits obsolete departments. This is, however, only an issue in the case of Patricia Roberts Harris, who was secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare before it was split and she became secretary of HHS. This should be mentioned somehow. The Obama sentence is quite bad, and is also inaccurate, as Condoleezza Rice is tied with Powell for highest-ranking African American ever. --Golbez (talk) 17:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, it omits ones like the Post Office Department. It never had an African American head, but you list current ones that don't... I don't know if they should *all* be mentioned, but certainly if the PO Dept HAD had an African American secretary, it would be listed. This list seems to suffer from a crisis of scope. --Golbez (talk) 03:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose, editor has made no attempt to clear up comments, no edits to article in nearly two weeks. --Golbez (talk) 22:59, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: Right after the First African American Secretaries header, it says "The table below is organized based on the United States presidential line of succession." However, the line of succession is based on the date each cabinet department was originally created. This should be noted in the article.  Reywas92 Talk  01:38, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments by SatyrTN
 * I recommend using sort for the "Position" column so that Agriculture comes before Attorney General, Interior comes after Housing and Urban Development, etc.
 * needs to be changed to  so she sorts by last name (Harris).
 * I have no clue why, but the sort feature for the "Party" and "Administration" columns does not work.
 * Take United States Cabinet out of the See also section - it's linked in the article.
 * Since you have "The table below is organized based on the United States presidential line of succession." at the beginning of the table, you should include a way for people to get back to that sort order. For instance, a "Succession" column with the numbers 1 through 15 would work.
 * [[Image:Symbol unrelated.svg|15px]] Weak Oppose until issues are addressed. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
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