Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of hill stations in Malaysia/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC).

List of hill stations in Malaysia

 * Nominator(s): WPSamson (talk) 02:29, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

I am nominating this for the featured list as this list and lead introduction has been recently edited to meet the FL criteria and were properly referenced for each statements and this is my first nomination for the list which is also the list I am heavily edited along with several copyeditors who fixed several grammatical in some of the sentences. Hill station in Malaysia is unique due to not only the colonial era hill station has been properly maintained that makes it’s hill station authentic like during the British colonial era, but also the Genting Highlands which constructed since post-independence era that makes this hill station popular among tourists due to modernity, the only casino in Malaysia, and the place for entertainment for families. I am looking forward for the improvement for this list that I am nominated. Thank you. WPSamson (talk) 02:29, 6 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Refs would look better centred
 * Question: What does it mean with the references is look better when centered?
 * It would look better if the refs were aligned in the centre of the column, rather than to the left -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:48, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Just got more clear that centering the references is on column section instead. WPSamson (talk) 02:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)


 * That's it for a first pass...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I had addressed the first issue based on the first comment. Can have a look at the improved article and check if there are necessary changes needed for the latest changes. WPSamson (talk) 09:32, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Source review - Pass

 * A "format=PDF" for ref 1 would be nice


 * Given that the location is only in ref 2, I would either add locations to the other refs or delete it here


 * Refs 3 and 14 shouldn't be in all caps per MOS


 * Ref 6 missing author


 * Link Geographical Review in ref 11


 * I'm unsure if ref 14 is reliable, it's self published but written by an Academic. Can the weigh in here?
 * "format=PDF" for ref 19


 * The further reading section to be changed to "Sources" or "Bibliography" – further reading means that the sources in the section are not used in the article, this is not the case here. Aza24 (talk) 08:09, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I think ref 14 is fine, Harun's field of study is "Science, Technology and Asian Society", so not unrelated, and the founding details of a Malaysian colonial town are not particularly controversial. That said: -- Pres N  15:11, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I think ref 14 is fine, Harun's field of study is "Science, Technology and Asian Society", so not unrelated, and the founding details of a Malaysian colonial town are not particularly controversial. That said: -- Pres N  15:11, 8 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Fix WP:ALLCAPS in refs 3, 14


 * If he's an expert in the field, I think the reference will be okay. However, it does need the all caps removed as Pres said, and if the content comes from a particular chapter of the book, it would be helpful to include that for verifiability (I'm not seeing any page numbers in the version I looked at). Under the publisher= parameter of the cite template, I'd put Self-published in the field, as I noticed the missing publisher in the reference. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 22:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ - I had placed the chapter name on the references and replace URL with chapter-url parameter for easy finding on where the content pages comes from. WPSamson (talk) 04:29, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

The source part are done per recommendation. Thanks. WPSamson (talk) 04:29, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Good work, pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 22:22, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:27, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks &  WPSamson (talk) 03:52, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Some thoughts
 * I gave it a copyedit, but the prose probably needs some more tuning
 * ✅ modify the prose a bit for better understanding


 * The dates need a consistent format and order


 * What citation style is Aiken, S. Robert, October 1987. p. 426 in?
 * using Harvard citation style


 * You probably don't need to cite Aiken's bio


 * GGR Asia is a blog
 * ✔️ replaced with more reliable newspaper site for citation purpose

-- Guerillero &#124;  Parlez Moi  04:21, 18 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I had resolved the list page based on your thoughts. Can have a review on the updated page. Thanks. WPSamson (talk) 11:05, 20 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support I might tinker with a better map at some point -- Guerillero &#124;  Parlez Moi  14:39, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I do not have experience in making interactive maps in Wikipedia, so I created static map instead. Anyway thanks for review and support. WPSamson (talk) 09:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Comments Support from Hog Farm
Might claim WikiCup points for this. Hog Farm Bacon 19:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)


 * "There are ten hill stations that in Malaysia's mountainous area" - There's a word missing in here somewhere
 * add "built" word into the sentence.


 * Is there a way to bold essentially the title in the first sentence, per WP:BOLDLEAD?
 * ✅ rewrite the whole sentence and bold the title in that sentence.


 * "The British were not used to the environment in Malaysia, especially the hot tropical weather, the illness," - I feel like the illness part should be reworded slightly. Maybe "the endemic illnesses" instead?


 * " prevented any people in tropical countries from returning to their homeland on a regular basis" - I think this ought to be rephrased. "Any people" is a bit awkward here.  Maybe "British nationals" or something like that; a lot of the people in tropical countries were native to those areas, while the context is clearly referring to the Brits.
 * rewrite as "...prevented any British people settled in tropical countries from returning..."


 * " several colonial governments built these hill stations in Malaysia" - What governments these were never seems to be specified anywhere. I'm only seeing references to the British.
 * rewrite as "...the British government built these hill stations in Malaysia."


 * " including the renovation and uplifting of the colonial-era hill station" - It's very unclear what you're referring to by "the colonial-era hill station"
 * rewrite as "hill station built by British government"


 * Do geography and professor really need linked, per MOS:OVERLINK? Particularly the latter seems to fall under the common occupations bullet point of that link


 * "Following the independence of Malaysia, another three hill stations were built" - Go ahead and give the year the independence of Malaysia occurred in, so readers don't have to follow the link.


 * Why is Mount Angsi not mentioned in the lead, when all of the others are?
 * Initially was not added due to built or established year not available. Now added to the lead, not sure if it's fit or not.

That's it for a first pass. Hog Farm Bacon 19:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I had fixed all the issues based on your comments. Feel free to review the updated list page. Thanks. WPSamson (talk) 08:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Supporting. Sorry for the delayed response. Hog Farm Bacon 03:19, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks . WPSamson (talk) 05:26, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Giants2008 ( Talk ) 21:12, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
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