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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 18:40, 26 December 2009.

List of houses and associated buildings by John Douglas

 * Nominator(s): Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:56, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because...it is a companion to the featured lists List of new churches by John Douglas and List of church restorations, amendments and furniture by John Douglas. Its lead is similar to the other lists, suitably modified for this list of houses. The table is similar apart from one major change: as the proportion of images is less than the other lists, they have been included in a separate strip, rather than integrated as a column within the list, in order to avoid too much white space. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:56, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Check "disambig links" in the toolbox. bamse (talk) 19:55, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, missed those! Done Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:34, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support. Well written and well sourced list. Ruslik_ Zero 16:54, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Key looks good. Support don't see further issues. Wizardman  00:19, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Comments from Hassocks
 * Another high-quality John Douglas list. I like the listed buildings key: a very elegant solution (much more so than the waffly prose I have used in my listed buildings articles!).  I have a few observations and queries:
 * The key was not my idea; Wizardman must take the credit for that.

Lead
 * Douglas' new houses embrace a range of sizes, from substantial country houses, such as Oakmere Hall and Abbeystead House, to cottages, such as the pair known as Tai Cochin, workers' houses, such as those in Port Sunlight, and the block of flats known as Parker's Buildings in Chester. Lots of commas make this sentence difficult to parse. I've played around with it, inserting different combinations of dashes, semicolons, brackets and so on; not sure what the best solution is at the moment.  I'll continue to think about it.
 * I've substituted some semicolons and changed the end of the sentence. Does this work?

Table
 * Sorting: in the "Name" column, should 6–11 Grosvenor Park Road sort before 31 and 33 Dee Banks? Likewise with 115 Foregate Street, Chester and 26 Southbank, Great Budworth in the "Location" column.  (I'm not sure about this myself.)
 * I've sorted the numerical addresses. but I think where a house has a name, it should sort with the other names.


 * In the entry for Saighton Grange, the year (1894–86) seems to have a typo.
 * Fixed


 * The sorting for entries containing the year 1881 may need tweaking. When you sort that column, the order is like this:
 * 1881
 * 1. 1881–82; 2. 1892–94
 * c. 1881
 * 1881–82
 * ...whereas the default unsorted order is:
 * 1881
 * 1881–82
 * 1. 1881–82; 2. 1892–94
 * c. 1881
 * ...which looks correct. Tweaking the hidden sort keys should fix this.
 * Fixed.


 * Grosvenor Park Lodge's Grade II sorting isn't working.
 * Fixed.


 * Several locations lack coordinates. Is this intentional, or have you not found them?
 * I wondered if lack of coordinates = demolished buildings, but that doesn't seem to be the case. In some cases, I find it difficult to determine which of the buildings in the list have been demolished, just using the details presented in the text.  For example, Googling suggests that Home Place in Oxted is no longer standing, and the entry in the list sort of implies it (no accompanying article, no English Heritage listing), but does not state it explicitly.  Perhaps you could introduce a colour code (with accessibility key such as *) to show demolished buildings?
 * I've added the coords for Cilcain Hall (thought I had done that earlier). The other absentees are when I cannot accurately find the building.  I hope all the others are OK; sometimes, especially with farmhouses, it is difficult to be absolutely sure.  I have positive evidence of only one complete demolition - Barrowmore Hall; so if it doesn't say it's demolished, it either isn't, or I cannot be sure.


 * In the blurb for Grosvenor Park Lodge, try his first known use to avoid repetition of Douglas'.
 * Done.


 * In Shotwick House: In 1907 it was enlarged and rebuilt after a fire for Thorneycroft Vernon reads slightly better as After a fire in 1907 it was enlarged and rebuilt for Thorneycroft Vernon (assuming the fire was in 1907!), although on reflection the difference is small.
 * Done.


 * In Hill Bark Farmhouse, try with the upper storey half-timbered → with a half-timbered upper storey.
 * Done.


 * In Eaton Boat, try they were built in stone → they were built in stone.
 * Sorry, I can't spot the difference.


 * In Whitegate Vicarage, partly-jettied should be partly jettied or part-jettied.
 * Done.


 * In Dedwyddfa, This house has been attributed to Douglas. would be snappier.
 * Done.

Refs
 * Refs [7] and [9] refer to the same page range, and can therefore be combined.
 * Done.


 * Same for refs [84] and [85].
 * Ref [85] was an error which I have corrected.


 * Refs [11] and [28] need pp..
 * Ref [102] seems to have a typo.
 * Both fixed.

Alt text
 * Perfect apart from one spelling error: stories → storeys in Bath Street, Chester.
 * Done.

I have placed this FLC on my watch list. Hassocks 5489 (tickets please!)  22:24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the trouble you've taken over this review - most helpful. I hope I have corrected and/or answered the points made. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:55, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Support and follow-up Thanks for making these changes, and for your other clarifications. I have made two edits: one on Eaton Boat, where my original comment had a typo which rendered it meaningless (sorry!)—I have changed "they" to "these"; and one addition of coordinates. My technique for finding coordinates, in the absence of accurate grid references or other data to base these on, is a bit time-consuming but usually works in the end: using the Images of England photo and address description (or any other available address info), I search on Google Maps satellite view for the building. I did this for Abbotsford and found it on a small lane off Warrington Road. Obviously it helps if the building has a distinctive roofline, and it can get frustrating! You can then confirm the coordinates by converting them back into a grid reference and comparing them with a map or with the basic coordinates given on the IoE listing. (For IoE listings where the full grid reference is quoted, which is usually the case in Sussex, I convert that into coordinates using www.nearby.org.uk) This might help with West Lodge and Green Farmhouse. I accept your rationale for demolished buildings and the lack of definitive evidence. The rewritten sentence in the lead looks much clearer; everything else is fine as well. Hope you can find the other two coordinates I referred to, but it's not a problem if you can't. Support accordingly –  Hassocks  5489 (tickets please!)  17:48, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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