Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of international cricket centuries by Ricky Ponting/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 19:13, 21 September 2009.

List of international cricket centuries by Ricky Ponting

 * Nominator(s):  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 00:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets the criteria. Ricky Ponting is third on the list for most One Day International Cricket Centuries and second on the list for most Test cricket centuries. Although his career is not over, at least 80% is done and dusted.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 00:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * "This list shows all instances in which the Australian cricketer" Featured lists no longer begin like this. See List of international cricket centuries by Sourav Ganguly for an example of a better start. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 00:36, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment As I've already commented here, why can't we have a "List of career achievements by cricketer? If we create that page and have all the achievements and records from the respective sections in the main article, then there'll be a chance to have a featured list and a featured article. I can see that you're one of the main contributors of Ricky Ponting's main article and I am sure you want to make that page as good as possible. By just skimming through that page, I notice that the last two sections just don't belong there because they're in a list format. I believe it will be beneficial to have a separate page for the achievements. Since having international centuries is an achievement, the info in this page should be a part of the aforementioned list.-- Cheetah   (talk)  02:14, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * While I understand what you mean, List of international cricket centuries by Ricky Ponting is notable enough to have its own article. As we already have FL on List of international cricket centuries by Sachin Tendulkar and List of international cricket centuries by Sourav Ganguly  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 02:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I am talking about the present. The two that you mentioned were promoted before and I don't really care per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. I can also show you the List of international cricket centuries by Virender Sehwag that was not promoted, by the way this was the latest similar nomination. -- Cheetah  (talk)  03:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I suggest keeping List of international cricket centuries by Ricky Ponting and then creating Achievements of Ricky Ponting for all other records like at Achievements of Sachin Tendulkar. Then List of Test awards for Ricky Ponting could be merged into Achievements of Ricky Ponting along with other jargon that was in the main Ricky Ponting article. It would be a lot easier to do this, as we then wouldn't have to change Tendulkar and Ganguly. Regards,  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 04:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I really like your suggestion. However, I'd like to see how the future list of achievements of Ricky Ponting looks first before making a decision. To me, when the main page for the cricketer, like Ricky Ponting, gets big, the achievements section should be separated first. If/when the achievements page becomes big, international cricket centuries can be separated. I just don't like skipping steps in the process. Also, I am a little worried that this page is too young. It was created within the last 24 hours and it is impossible to see whether this page passes the criterion #6, more specifically, its content does not change significantly from day to day.-- Cheetah  (talk)  04:54, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose criterion #6 hasn't really been tested yet as created the article in my userspace first. Although the content can't really change much except for a few tweaks.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 05:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Provisional support – Pending replacement of the links recently discovered to be dead. If I may offer a couple of additional comments, I would like to see ABC spelled out in ref 1, as that could be confusing for some (The US has an ABC of our own, for example). Also, I'm not sure why the first few Cricinfo references don't have publisher links when the many others do.  Giants2008  ( 17–14 ) 20:11, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment "Ponting, among 38 centuries, has scored four double centuries and remained unbeaten on 26 occasions." As this article is about his centuries, to me "remained unbeaten on 26 occasions" refers to being not out in 26 of his 38 century innings. Schumi  555  22:36, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I removed as it is not relevant.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 22:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Number 18 is out of date order, or the date is wrong. Hesperian 00:29, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi sir, Number 18 where?  Aaroncrick   ( talk ) 00:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The list is in date order, except for the 18th entry, which says "31 January 1999" despite being amongst 2003 matches. I've highlighted it in red in the snippet below. Hesperian 00:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Fixed thanks. Very clumsy indeed.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 00:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Nice work Aaron! Some questions however:
 * Rules about photos "looking off the page"? Do they apply at FLC? Perhaps other commenters may have some advice. Personally I don't see the problem.
 * I have seen FAs with left-aligned images in the lead (Joseph Priestly). However, I agree it's not a big deal. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The photo for the One-day section sits above the table while the photo for the Test section sits to the right. Is this a deliberate editing choice and if so, why? My immediate thought is that consistency would be preferred but there may be a valid reason for this approach.
 * Not sure what you mean. Looks the same to me.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 03:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Might be just my browser and screen resolution, but the one-day photograph sits above the table, against the right hand side of the screen. This leaves an unsightly piece of white space above the table and to the left of the photograph. I am not sure you can do much about it, some other commenters may have some ideas. -- Mattinbgn\talk 04:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah it looks fine to me. :)  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 07:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, definitely my screen, I am looking at it on a wider screen now and the pictures are where they should be. -- Mattinbgn\talk 10:40, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * There are different date formats used in the two tables, the Test table uses "8 July 2009" and the One day table uses "February 24, 2008". This should be consistent and I prefer the former for this list.
 * Not sure how to change this. Tendulkar and Ganguly are like this and if I try in doesn't like it.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 03:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 04:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The one-day table includes position in the batting order and the Test table does not. Is this by design?
 * That's how Tendulkar's was, but I'll do that later. Bit busy now. Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 03:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I do think that one, at least, is important. -- Mattinbgn\talk 04:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 10:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The one-day table includes batting strike rate and the Test table does not. Is this by design? Is strike rate information available for Test match innings? Do you think that that the strike rate for Test innings is relevant or important. I would tend towards including it, if the information is consistently available.
 * Tendulkar's is like that. Didn't change it because thought there might have been a reason for it. Can do though.  Aaroncrick  ( talk )
 * If you choose not to include it, that's fine too. -- Mattinbgn\talk 04:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Have you given any thought to including innings length (jn minutes), especially for the Test table?
 * Yeah, but I probably wont.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 03:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but I would think the length of the innings (either in minutes or balls) is an interesting and relevant piece of information. If you think otherwise, that's fine, I won't oppose over it. -- Mattinbgn\talk 04:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Otherwise, great work. Once these have been addressed let me know and I will take another look. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 01:31, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Support well done! -- Mattinbgn\talk 10:40, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment needs a note/info that the century against Asia was for the World XI, not Austraila  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * What symbol do I use?  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 01:38, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think it matters, but it has to be noted surely.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 05:55, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, done.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 06:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Support  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 00:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment "In Test matches, Ponting has scored centuries against all the Test-cricket playing nations and has scored a century in at least one cricket ground of all Test-cricket playing nations" - won't saying just that he has scored hundreds in all Test countries cover both the things mentioned in this line ?  Tintin 02:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 23:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment There are a few dead links; check the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:49, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Argh Crcinfo links have just died. I'll wait a couple of day. Surely they will have to spring back to life?  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 23:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * All working again. :)  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 23:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 04:53, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose (reviewed version) - No major issues but there's an awful lot of 'minor' things which need fixing. --Jpeeling (talk) 21:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Lead


 * "has scored hundreds in all Test playing countries" He hasn't scored a century in Zimbabwe or Pakistan.
 * Done  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 22:25, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Not sure about the third sentence, mentioning his retirement from T20I is fine but mentioning the IPL in an list on international centuries seems unnecessary.
 * Done  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 22:25, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * "He has been dismissed four times above the score of 90" Wrong even if you interpret you mean nineties.
 * "both of which are Australian records." True, but could do with a ref(s) as it's not backed up by the list.
 * done.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 01:07, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


 * "He has scored 13 centuries in home grounds" 12 according to the table.
 * Done.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 04:53, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The lead mentions that Melbourne Cricket Ground is in Melbourne three times when I'm not sure you need to say it at all.
 * Done  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 22:25, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * "Seven of these centuries were hit at the Melbourne Cricket Ground" 'these' suggests you're talking about away/neutral venues as that's the last thing mentioned.
 * Done  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 04:53, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The lead, which lends largely from Sachin Tendulkar's article, seems a bit bland and could do with some uniqueness to make it more engaging. It may be worth mentioning the century in a WC final, the World XI century or scoring two centuries in a Test on three occasions - a joint record. You could mention the circumstances of his highest score in ODIs, you cover it in less words than his first ODI century when it's in fact one of the most memorable ODIs in history.
 * Done.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 01:07, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Tables


 * Innings number needs fixing, first seven Test centuries use match innings number (1-4), the rest is Australia innings number (1-2). I'd prefer 1-4s as it provides more information to the reader and would be consistent with the ODI list, which would be all 1s if you used Australia innings number throughout.
 * Test number (within the series) incorrect for century numbers 1, 11, 12, 31, 33 and 37.
 * Done.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 05:26, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Match results incorrect for Test century numbers 18 and 32.
 * Done.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 05:26, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Test century numbers 11 and 12 were neutral grounds.
 * Done  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 05:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Test century number 14 and ODI century number 5 have wrong date.
 * Done.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 05:26, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Scores for Test century number 9 and ODIs 15 and 24 need fixing.
 * Done  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 05:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Strike rate incorrect for ODI century 2.
 * Done  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 05:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Key above the table would make more sense.
 * Yep  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 05:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Linking 'Asian XI' to List of Asian XI ODI cricketers might be better than nothing.
 * Ok  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 05:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Grounds - wrong Old Trafford, wrong Headingley, wrong Warner Park, Kingstown?? Kensington Oval in two different locations, 13th Test century should have a Brisbane to be consistent with the rest. The tables are sortable so all grounds should probably be linked.
 * Done, although what's wrong with Kensington Oval? Links to the correct one.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 05:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I meant it's listed as Bridgetown for one century and Barbados for the other, best to be consistent. --Jpeeling (talk) 08:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 01:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


 * References


 * Refs 4, 5, 7 and 8 need fixing.
 * Done, but might need to be tweaked a bit...  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 07:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Ref 7 could be titled better/consistent with other refs.
 * Done  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 07:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Refs 9, 10, 20, 27, 39, 42, 58 don't link to where they should.
 * Done  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 07:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Minor quibble but reference titles have incorrect dates for ref numbers 13, 16, 25, 29, 38, 48, 51.
 * Done  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 07:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Other


 * Alt text could be improved, in the second image they're not playing cricket they're facing each other/talking. On the third image you assume the person will know what an Australian ODI uniform looks like.
 * Caption in second image could link Warne and 2006-07 Ashes, there needs to be a ref for the 576 runs scored. Third caption date differs from table.
 * Done.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 04:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

--Jpeeling (talk) 21:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe the WC final in 2003 shoudl be mentioned. Isn't that the highest score in a WC F ?? Also the 145 against Zim in 1998 equaled the Aus record at the time I think  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Support Seems to meet the FL criteria, assuming that Jpeeling's concerns are resolved satisfactorily. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
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