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List of international goals scored by Pelé

 * Nominator(s): Sgubaldo (talk) 01:06, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

There are several featured lists covering the international goals of several prominent footballers, but Pelé's is not yet among those. I've significantly expanded the lead and sourced all of his goals, so I'm hopeful this now meets the FL criteria. Sgubaldo (talk) 01:06, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Comments

 * "Pelé made his debut for Brazil in a 1–2 defeat" => "Pelé made his debut for Brazil in a 2–1 defeat" (the norm is to always write the higher score first, regardless of the result from the team in question's perspective (e.g. "England drop further points at home in their Euro 2025 qualifying campaign as they fall to a 2-1 defeat by group leaders France", "the Portland Timbers suffered a 2-0 loss to Charlotte FC at Bank of America on Saturday night", "FC Dallas Suffers 2-0 Defeat to Seattle Sounders FC in Postseason Opener")
 * "Following the tournament, he was nicknamed" - this would be far more appropriate in the previous paragraph, where the tournament in question is discussed
 * "Although Brazil came runners-up" => "Although Brazil were runners-up"
 * "and included in the Time list" - link Time
 * Note a needs a full stop
 * Conversely note c does not
 * "He was surpassed by Northern Ireland's Norman Whiteside in the 1982 FIFA World Cup" => "He was surpassed by Northern Ireland's Norman Whiteside at the 1982 FIFA World Cup"
 * That's it I think -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:41, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * All done, I think, @ChrisTheDude. Thank you as always for the comments. Sgubaldo (talk) 10:41, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)


 * MPGuy2824
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 * This applies to all the tables. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @MPGuy2824, I think it's done. Sgubaldo (talk) 09:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For each table in the Statistics section, every row needs a header cell. The first cell seems most appropriate for these 3 tables. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @MPGuy2824, I'd somehow missed those. I think that's done as well now. Sgubaldo (talk) 10:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support promotion. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Comments
Idiosincrático (talk) 15:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The cities and countries listed in the venue columns really don't need to be linked, following the formats of other international goal lists. WP:SOB
 * The Argentina flag in the hat-trick list is an alt version and should be changed.


 * Done, @Idiosincrático. Sgubaldo (talk) 19:12, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support – Idiosincrático (talk) 19:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Source review - BennyOnTheLoose
Source review and a couple of general comments below. Happy to disuss any of these. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:53, 15 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @BennyOnTheLoose, responses below. Sgubaldo (talk) 10:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Sources
 * Footballdatabase.eu is user generated content (see discussion at RSN)
 * Replaced. –S
 * What makes Sambafoot a reliable source?
 * I haven't seen any issues with it at RSN and it's the only source that shows specifically what goals were scored by who in the two matches it's cited for. I'm happy to replace it with 11v11.com if you disagree. –S
 * It looks like a gambling-focused site, so probably more regulated than a general one. On reflection, seems fine. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:17, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Goal (website) could be "Goal"
 * Is it not like that already? –S
 * I must have been looking at the edit view and confused myself. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Spot check on "Pelé scored seven international hat-tricks, the most of any Brazilian player." - what's the support in the source for this being "the most of any Brazilian player"?
 * Added another source to better support this. –S
 * Spot check on "one of only five players, the others being Uwe Seeler, Miroslav Klose, Cristiano Ronaldo, and Lionel Messi, to have scored in four separate ones" - no issues
 * "At the 1958 FIFA World Cup, Pelé was at the time the youngest player to participate in a World Cup" - as this is supported by the Mukherjee source (#9) rather than by the FIFA one (#10), I think it would be better to have #9 inline in the body as well as attached to the note.
 * Placed inline as well. –S
 * Spot check on "He finished the tournament with six goals, behind a record-breaking Just Fontaine, and was named best young player of the tournament" - not all supported by the cited page.
 * The source does show that he won best young player and came second in the Golden Boot race. That being said, I've added another source specifically to support the fact that Just Fontaine broke the record for most goals. –S
 * "he was nicknamed O Rei (The King)" - I'm not seeing support for this in the cited source.
 * Added another source to support this. –S
 * Spot check on "emerged as a worldwide black sporting star" - no issues.
 * Spot check on "scored his final international goal on 11 July 1971 against Austria, and made his final appearance for Brazil against Yugoslavia on 18 July 1971." - no issues
 * "Pelé is widely regarded as one of the greatest football players of all time and was among the most successful and popular sports figures of the 20th century." - seems a fair statement given the Olympics source which provides next inline citation, and the following sources cited.
 * Spot check on "included in the Time list of the 100 most important people of the 20th century," - no issues. It really was by Kissinger.
 * I also did a double take when I first saw that. –S


 * Pass for source review. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

General comments
 * I accepted the changes to the list suggested by scripts about hyphens/dashes and replacing curly quotes with straight - please check, and revert if required.
 * Changes are fine, thanks. –S
 * I see there have been a couple of recent changes to the article. I think the restoration on 13 July is reasonable.
 * The editor had added non-full international appearances which, to my understanding, are never included in these sorts of lists. –S
 * "remains Brazil's youngest ever goalscorer"/"seven international hat-tricks, the most of any Brazilian player"/"He is the only footballer to have won three World Cups and is one of only five players, the others being Uwe Seeler, Miroslav Klose, Cristiano Ronaldo, and Lionel Messi, to have scored in four separate ones" - these statements will possibly become outdated. Consider rephrasing (e.g. to the effect "As of 2024, ...")
 * I think "remains Brazil's youngest ever goalscorer" is fine as is. I've added something for the other two statements. –S
 * In the Goals table, is 1–2 meant to appear between 1–1 and 2–0 in the Result column when it is sorted?
 * That's how it appears on other featured lists; is there a better way of sorting it? –S
 * That's fine then, it just didn't quite seem sequential. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The sorting by date in the Hat-tricks table doesn't seem to work properly.
 * Fixed. –S


 * Support. I'm satisfied with the responses to my comments, both about sources and general. Meets the FL criteria as far as I can see. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)