Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of ironclad warships of Germany/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 19:10, 15 January 2012.

List of ironclad warships of Germany

 * Nominator(s): Parsecboy (talk) 01:29, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

This is another list of German warships (similar to my previous lists on battlecruisers, battleships, and armored cruisers); this one is a list of German ironclads, or Victorian-era battleships. It caps off this project, which is all but ready for nomination as a Good Topic. The article has previously passed a WP:MILHIST A-class review. I feel the article meets Featured List criteria, and look forward to working with reviewers to ensure this is the case. Thanks in advance to all who take the time to review the article. Parsecboy (talk) 01:29, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support my picky issues dealt with. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:58, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Comment The tables fail WP:ACCESS see MOS:DTT for how to rectify this, other than this the list looks great. NapHit (talk) 23:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * How does the list fail ACCESS? As far as I can tell, there's nothing wrong with the list as far as MOS:DTT is concerned (correct captions, no spliced column headers, no use of color, and no nested tables). Can you explain please? Parsecboy (talk) 23:55, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You need to add row scopes and col scopes, if you look at the MOS:DTT, you'll see that the row haeder is shaded, they are not on this list. Also the tables have no captions, its all explained at MOS:DTT. The scopes are needed for unsighted readers that's why it fails ACCESS. NapHit (talk) 18:08, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It doesn't appear to be possible to add the "scope="row" |" lines to the template without breaking the tables, at least with the example given at MOS:DTT. I'm not well versed in template building - is there someone more experienced who can take a look? As for captions, that seems redundant to the section headings (which seems to be the general thrust of the discussion here) - I think it would be best to hold off until some consensus is formed. Parsecboy (talk) 20:20, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've done the first table for you as an example. Regarding the captions, they are required, as its for people using screen readers so they need the caption to be able to tell them what the table is about. Most Featured lists that are promoted now utilise these, regardless of whether there is a header close by. NapHit (talk) 18:22, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've added the rest of the row and column labels, but I really do not like the table headers (which in my opinion decrease the visual appeal of the list - FLC criteria 5a). Is it possible to hide the captions so they don't show up but they'll still be available for screen readers? Parsecboy (talk) 19:38, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think its possible to make captions available to screen readers, I'll leave this up in case another editor suggests captions should be included, its not enough to abstain from supporting. I support the list regardless, great work. NapHit (talk) 11:11, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Support -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:47, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

- The Bushranger One ping only 19:26, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comments: This is excellently done, and very close to FL status. I do have a few quibbles though:
 * I'd suggest changing the lede a little; perhaps "the Prussian and later German Imperial Navies" should read "the Prussian Navy, and later the Imperial German Navy".
 * "The Prussian Navy acquired three more ships" - sounds like there should be a "had" in there based on the rest of the sentence?
 * "The three turret ships of the..." Might want to link turret ship; also, this is a little unclear as to whether it means three ships with turrets or ships with three turrets, can this be tweaked a bit?
 * "...the last capital ships ordered from foreign yards." - probably should add "by Germany".
 * Arminius: "...designed by the British Royal Navy Captain Cowper Coles" - this is rather awkward, perhaps "Royal Navy" should be dropped?
 * Sachsen class: suggest wikilinking boom defense.
 * All done, thanks for reviewing the article, Bushranger. Parsecboy (talk) 19:36, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Support, nice work! - The Bushranger One ping only 19:54, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Support Comments 
 * Sometimes your footnotes are out of numerical order. Forex, in the first para of the lede.
 * Should be good now.
 * Fix caption on SMS Hansa image.
 * Did you just want "line-drawing" hyphenated?
 * No, it's not a compound noun or adjective. Two words please.
 * Fixed.
 * Why aren't the costs plural?
 * In the ACR for the heavy cruiser list, MisterBee said Mark doesn't add an "s" to make it plural.
 * That maybe correct for German usage, but I assure you that every American that I encountered when I lived in Germany during the Cold War anglicized mark(s) as they'd do for any English term. Not gonna oppose over this, but "mark" reads as singular, which conflicts with the quantities specified.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 17:57, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough - this is the English wiki afterall.
 * Images are appropriately licensed.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 04:51, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
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