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The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 19:38, 3 June 2010.

List of leaders of the Soviet Union

 * Nominator(s): --TIAYN (talk) 21:12, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

This is a complete list of the leaders of the Soviet Union which i have nominated. ;P --TIAYN (talk) 21:12, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Please remove the overpowering bright red from the table.
 * Done
 * There should not be a comma between month and year in --TIAYN (talk) 19:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)a date. Also be consistent with MDY or DMY format.
 * See DATESNO
 * Done
 * The notes could be moved into the table so that it is clearer which leader each note belongs to. There is plenty of room to widen the table and it is easier to read with the relevant note being right next to the person.
 * The notes are in the table; what do you mean? --TIAYN (talk) 06:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You could put the text in the table so that readers conveniently have that relevant information right next to the leader rather than elsewhere. Reywas92 Talk 19:43, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Please follow the section order and titles at MOS:APPENDIX.
 * Done
 * Thanks, Reywas92 Talk 21:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Neutral Oppose Comment. I worry that the question of who was the leader of SU at any particular historical time may be entirely subjective. For instance, why Trotsky is not included? He may be considered the leader in 1923-1924. Ruslik_ Zero 16:35, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Trotsky never had enough support in the Communist Party to became leader of the republic or even the party machine, thats why Joseph Stalin became leader. If Trotsky had enough support and strength between 1923-1924 Stalin would probably not become leader, and the mass murders would probably not have happened. To conclude, while you may be right, your view is hold by a minority, and is therefor a WP:FRINGE theory. --TIAYN (talk) 19:08, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Please, do not attribute to me opinions that I have never stated. I have never said that Trotsky should be included. I just asked a question. I, however, do not understand the criteria used to choose particular leaders for inclusion in this list. Why Malenkov is included? He was never especially influential within Soviet leadership at that time. Is 'troika' a leader? (Anyway, this is incomplete list of troikas.) Ruslik_ Zero 19:25, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * What you are saying does not make sense, George Malenkov was First Secretary and controlled the Soviet Union before the rise of Khrushchev, and this is not an incomplete list of Troikas. Tell me missing troikas? Your statements and opinions are wrong on this matter. You are right, they may have been other troikas, but none of those other troikas ruled the Soviet Union. The inclusion is easy, those who ruled the Soviet Union!`--TIAYN (talk) 19:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * He never was the First Secretary. He was a secretary and resigned form the secretariat on 13 March. The position of First (or General) Secretary did not even exist in 1953. Ruslik_ Zero 10:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That is again both inaccuratte and absurd. The post of the Genereal Secretary was established in 1922 and was re-named right after Stalin's to First Secretary. Malenkov was elected to the secretariat in 1952, not 1953, and seeing as i'm right, the post existed in the 1950s. Just remove your absurd oppose, its ridicules and, you are basing your claims on inaccurate information. --TIAYN (talk) 21:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The post of the General Secretary was formally abolished in 1934 during the 17-th Party Congress (see here, p. 158). Stalin was just the first secretary meaning that his name was first in the list of secretaries. Formally all secretaries were equal. Malenkov was elected a secretary (together with Stalin and others) in 1952 and I never claimed otherwise. No General Secretary was elected. On 6 March 1953, just after Stalin's death, Malenkov's name was moved to the first position in the list of secretaries (see here, p. 123). In other words he became the first secretary, literally. On March 14 Malenkov resigned from the secretariat. The post of General Secretary was reinstated only in 1965. You should be very accurate when composing such lists as this one. Ruslik_ Zero 19:02, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I know, see table, Malenkov ruled the Soviet Union not as a secretary but as a premier. --TIAYN (talk) 19:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Please do not strike out against reviewers; Ruslik has been civil, whereas you have now twice attacked him. --Golbez (talk) 22:31, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, i'm not trying to attack him or act like a jurk, but what he is saying is inaccurate. --TIAYN (talk) 05:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Comment I am confused by the date. Based on my understanding, from April 3, 1922 to January 21, 1924, Lenin and Stalin both were the country's "leader".— Chris! c / t  1:28 pm, Today (UTC−7)
 * Done


 * Comment I am confused by the timeline. According to the table, Stalin replaced Lenin on Jan 21, 1924. However, the timeline shows them overlapping for '22-'24, with no explanation as to what that means. Similarly, the table has Malenkov as ruling for a week before being supplanted by the troika, but the timeline has him overlapping Stalin and Krushchev for '48-'55. I understand that Soviet politics is not a straight-forward affair, but there's no textual explanation in the list to explain this discrepancy. On a different note, I think you should say who the members of the troikas are in the table- this is not such a long list that you need to conserve space. -- Pres N  14:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Done


 * Dabs; please check the disambiguation links identified in the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:50, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Done

Comment. I stuck my oppose, however, the lack of well defined inclusion criteria makes me to stay neutral. Ruslik_ Zero 07:27, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * Repetition: "The office of the People's Commissars was the equivalent of the office of prime minister," instead how about 'was equivalent to the office of' [in that way the repetitive of is removed]
 * Done
 * Same thing here: "while the office of the Central Executive Committee was the equivalent of president."
 * Done
 * "though the Soviet Union collapsed before this was tried out." -- 'tried out' -> 'before it could have been tried.'
 * Done
 * "Lenin was elected Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars on 8 November 1917 by the Russian Congress of Soviets, as such, he declared; "Communism is Soviet power plus the electrification of the entire country" in modernising Russia into a twentieth-century country" - no need for the semi colon
 * Done
 * More later..-- T ru  c o   503 20:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Continued
 * "After a failed assination attempt, Lenin's popularity was on the rise,[15] but his health, as a 53-year-old man, declined from the effects of two bullet wounds, later aggravated by three strokes which culminated to his death in 1924." -- so many commas and pauses, it would just be best to split these two sentences; also a typo on assassination.
 * To be quite honest, this list should have been peer reviewed before it came to FLC. There are a lot of poor sentence structures in the summary portion. This is not a place for PR, so I have to stand with an Oppose until either the prose is revised. -- T ru  c o   503 01:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


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