Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of medieval churches on Gotland/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 29 October 2020 (UTC).

List of medieval churches on Gotland

 * Nominator(s): Yakikaki (talk) 09:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I think it meets the criteria and would be an interesting addition; there are some featured lists about churches, but mostly in the UK. I should also briefly explain the background to the article. I started a List of churches on Gotland back in 2014. Recently, I put in a lot of efforts on my sandbox2 to increase the quality. Noting how the medieval churches are almost always treated apart from the other churches on Gotland I figured it would sense to put them in their own, clearly defined list. Hence the list looks completely new. Yakikaki (talk) 09:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Support All of my comments were addressed - nice work. If you have the time, I would really appreciate if you could check one of my FLCs (here or there). Thanks! ~ HAL  333  22:52, 11 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment from Shearonink
 * Found a small typo - The church was pillaged by Russian tropps in 1717. should be  The church was pillaged by Russian troops in 1717. Shearonink (talk) 18:07, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, fixed it! Yakikaki (talk) 18:12, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Just an aside to the FLC...these ancient churches look very similar to Lutheran churches that I've seen in Minnesota and North Dakota...it was eerie to me to see these ca1300-1500 churches looking like close architectural cousins to churches built 1870-1920 in the US. Shearonink (talk) 02:43, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's interesting, I think a lot of Swedish people emigrated at least to Minnesota, and many people emigrated from Gotland. Perhaps they brought with them some memories, who knows? Thank you for letting me know. This kind of things always fascinate me. Yakikaki (talk) 07:18, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Source review - Pass
Doing now. Aza24 (talk) 22:10, 29 August 2020 (UTC) refs works cited
 * Looking at the article from an overview, I think I will come back to this separately for some comments on the prose and such
 * Ref 1 needs a "|language=Swedish"
 * Ref 39 should be ISBN 13 (use the converter)
 * ref 116 missing "Church of Sweden" link
 * Andersson need an ISBN or OCLC (looking it up on Worldcat might help)
 * Augustsson, Jacobsson, Jonsson, Karlsson, Lagerlöf should all be ISBN 13s Aza24 (talk) 22:21, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The further reading entry could also do with an OCLC Aza24 (talk) 22:24, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello and thanks for these comments! I have fixed what I could so far, but I would need some guidance regarding the ISBN-question (which certainly isn't my area of expertise). With ISBN 13s, I assume you mean ISBN-numbers beginning with 13? I could not find any such numbers for any of the books you mentioned, neither in WorldCat nor the catalogue of the Swedish national library libris.kb.se, and could not produce them by using the converter you linked to. Could you please point me in the direction where I should go with this, what am I missing or doing wrong here? Many thanks, Yakikaki (talk) 12:03, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yakikaki, ISBN 13s are the "newer" ISBNS as opposed to the "older" ISBN 10s which some of your ISBNs are at the moment. If the ISBN number begins with 978 it is an ISBN 13, otherwise it's an ISBN 10 – Wikipedia requires all ISBNs to be ISBN 13 (The number 13 itself has nothing to do with the actual ISBN) All you have to do is take any ISBNs that don't begin with 978 (since that would mean they are not ISBN 13s) and put them in the converter and then replace the ISBN 10 with what you get. Let me know if you have further questions on this. BTW I plan to come back to read through the prose. Aza24 (talk) 06:15, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you Aza24 for taking the time to explain this to me, I've learned something new and useful and will change the ISBN:s accordingly, and keep this in mind for the future as well. I'll try to fix this during the day and get back here when I'm done. Kind regards, Yakikaki (talk) 08:42, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Fixed it! Yakikaki (talk) 11:14, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Good work, pass for source review Aza24 (talk) 20:02, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Comments:
 * Not doing a full review; wanted to comment first to import the discussion here confirming that there is no issue with how much prose is in this list in regards to FLC. In addition to that, however, I wanted to briefly comment on the table being split up into chunks- it should not be, as that breaks sortability (not to mention the breaks are arbitrary beyond how many churches start with a given letter). They should be combined into one table. -- Pres N  19:24, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you PesN for the comment and also for the point about the list being split into chunks. I've changed it into a single, long list. Kind regards, Yakikaki (talk) 18:14, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:05, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Comments Support from Aza24
Ok well I'm sure what this one is still waiting on but some (minor) comments below:
 * "and also" seems redundant in "and also unusual compared..."
 * Removed "also".


 * "date from a period between the early..." – "date from between the early..." may be more to the point
 * Fixed.


 * Could "still preserved" be something clearer like "fully preserved" to contrast with the fragmented ones better?
 * Changed to "substantially preserved" since completely preserved medieval churches hardly exist anywhere. I hope it works?
 * Yes, good call


 * I would add a language template to Swedish words kontragotik to that the system doesn't detect them as typos
 * Thanks for the suggestion, I've done it.


 * "and with decorative sculptures..." may work better as "as well as decorative sculptures..." to avoid the triple "and"
 * Changed.


 * you link Western Europe in the lead but not the first mention in the text (same with middle ages)
 * Fixed.


 * link parish churches
 * Fixed.


 * not required but I would recommend linking baptismal fonts in the image caption – I read the caption and saw the word before I got to it in the text
 * Added link.


 * assuming rod should link like rood crosses not "rood crosses"?
 * Yes, fixed.


 * High Gothic has a link, as does Early Gothic architecture
 * Added wikilinks.


 * The invasion of Gotland by Valdemar IV of Denmark and the Battle of Visby this sounds like two separate events, but isn't the Battle of Visby the invasion of Denmark?
 * One could absolutely argue that it's more or less the same thing, however my reasoning was that the battle is stricly speaking a consequence of the invasion (he first had to land his troops somewhere and then fight, so to speak) but mostly I added it because I wanted to give some context. Just mentioning the battle could be a bit confusing to the reader who doesn't know why there was a battle there, I was thinking. But I can remove it if you think it doesn't add anything. Let me know.
 * I think your reasoning makes sense – fine with me how it is


 * You may want to consider switching your two links to Baroque to Baroque architecture instead, which is likely more helpful to the reader
 * I intentionally made the link to Baroque since I was writing about the furnishings of the churches, not the buildings per se. But perhaps it misses the mark - I can change if you think it's better?
 * Ah yes I seem to have missed that. Good how it is then.


 * I glanced through the text in the table and found no major issues. Overall well written and a very fascinating read! Aza24 (talk) 00:37, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot Aza24! Your comments and suggestions were very helpful, I'm grateful for the review! Yakikaki (talk) 08:05, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Happy to help and I'm happy to support this nomination. Aza24 (talk) 07:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Promoting. -- Pres N  22:30, 28 October 2020 (UTC)


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