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The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 17:23, 25 July 2009.

List of music releases from Fame Academy contestants

 * Nominator(s): 03  md  10:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because...it has already received a Peer Review which I have responded to and corrected queries. I want to take this list to FLC as the first of a set (including Popstars, X Factor and Pop Idol releases). Thanks. 03 md  10:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment A couple of the images need alternative text per criterion 5b. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:40, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Note to reviewers I can see alot of these types of lists going through WP:FLC in the future, please take the time to review it properly and reach consensus. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 01:33, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose from
 * General
 * Dabs and external links check out fine.
 * Lead
 * Fame Academy is a British television programme that ran for two series, in 2002 and 2004. -- Unlink British per WP:OVERLINK
 * Delinked UK Singles Chart
 * The show was produced for the BBC in a reality television format and aimed to find a new singing star.  -- 1)Is the BBC correct? Isn't it just BBC 2)I don't like the use of singing star, can something else be found to replace this?
 * I think after the preposition, the BBC should be used. I have changed "singing star" to "musical artist".
 * The winners of the show, David Sneddon[1][2] and Alex Parks [3] were both awarded music recording contracts to allow them to release music and live like stars for a year. -- 1)Comma after Alex Parks 2)See the word stars again is just misleading, first question that comes to mind is what defines a star and what makes a star in this context. I think something like like top recording artists for a year would be better or something along those lines.
 * Changed
 * Sneddon had a run of three top 20 hits, including his debut single "Stop Living the Lie", which peaked at number one in the UK Singles Chart in January 2003. -- in the --> on the
 * Done
 * Parks' debut single, "Maybe That's What It Takes", charted at number three in November 2003. -- Be consistent, so remove the commas before and after the name of the single
 * Done
 * The runner-up from the first series, Sinead Quinn, signed a record deal with Mercury Records,[7] the same company as Sneddon, and released her debut single "I Can't Break Down", in February 2003. -- Remove the comma before in February 2003.
 * Done
 * The song charted at number two in the UK Singles Chart. -- 1) in the --> on the 2)WP:OVERLINK of UK Singles Chart
 * Changed to "on the" and delinked UK Singles Chart
 * Her second single, "What You Need Is..." peaked just inside the top 20 in June 2003. -- 1)Remove the comma before the name of the single 2)reword: peaked just inside the top 20 in June 2003 --> peaked in the top 20 in June 2003.
 * Removed comma, reworded section
 * Ainslie Henderson had a UK number five hit single with "Keep Me A Secret" in February 2003. -- Reword, this can be better written like it has with the previous sentences. (eg. Ainslie Henderson's [#] single "Keep Me A Secret" ranked number five in February 2003.)
 * Changed
 * The song charted at number 13 in the UK charts in April 2003 and Fox scored 29 points for his Eurovision performance. -- 1)in the --> on the 2)What UK [?] charts?
 * ''Changed to "on the; clarified chart.
 * He released his first single, the number two hit "Dance (With U)", in August 2003 and has since recorded a further nine top 40 hit singles, including six which charted in the top 10. --> He released his first single, "Dance (With U)", which charted number two, in August 2003; he has since recorded nine further top 40 hit singles, including six which charted in the top 10.
 * Reworded
 * He has also released four studio albums, with the most successful, "The Truth About Love", charting at number three in the UK album chart in 2006. -- 1)in the --> on the 2)The link to "The Truth About Lover" is not related to this singer at all 3)UK album chart --> UK Albums Chart
 * Changed to "on the"; corrected links
 * The lead should state a summary of the list, eg. number of releases in total, number of releases by each artist, how many artists to reach the top 10, etc.
 * Added section to lead
 * Albums
 * You may as well add the column about show position into this table for consistency, or remove the series column since the Singles table already does that.
 * Fame Academy albums
 * At the end of both series a compilation album was released featuring cover versions from the contestants. -- Comma after series
 * Done
 * The first album reached number two in the UK Compilation Chart. -- 1)in the --> on the
 * Done
 * A third album, Bee Gees Special was released during the show's broadcast and featured cover versions of Bee Gees songs. -- 1)Either remove the comma after album or add one after the name of the album
 * Added comma
 * Other releases
 * Malachi Cush has released four further albums that have failed to chart:, Celtic Heartbeat (Where the Heart Is) (2005) and Two Sides of Malachiand New Day (both 2007) and Timeless (2009). -- Remove the comma after the colon
 * Removed comma
 * Alex Parks released "Looking for Water" as a download-only single but the song only peaked at #250. -- Inconsistency with the rest of the article, should be number 250 not #250
 * Done
 * Images
 * David Sneddon won the first series of Fame Academy. His debut single, "Stop Living the Lie" was a UK number-one single and his album was a top ten hit. -- 1)Either remove the comma after single or add one after the name of the single 2)Remove the UK from UK number-one, we know already 3)replaced the and with while 4)it would be better worded as while his album charted in the top ten.
 * Added comma; removed "UK"; changed to "while"; reworded
 * Alistair Griffin had a top five hit single with "Bring It On/My Lover's Prayer". He also penned Ainslie Henderson's "Keep Me A Secret". --> Alistair Griffin's "Bring It On/My Lover's Prayer" charted in the top five, while also penning Ainslie Henderson's "Keep Me A Secret".
 * Done
 * References
 * Per WP:ACCESS, do not use three rows, use only two or one.
 * Changed to 2 rows

-- T ru  c o   503 02:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments. I have addressed them all. 03  md  18:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, you say you addressed them but I see no changes to the article at all.-- T ru  c o   503 19:25, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I did the edits before logging in - the alterations have been made under an IP address. 03  md  22:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Please make sure to add the alternative text to images, like Dabomb noted above.
 * Done

-- T ru  c o   503 16:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Support -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; list now meets WP:WIAFL.-- T ru  c o   503 16:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose from Several prose issues, but I'm opposing mainly for verification reasons and because I'm unsure if ChartStats is reliable. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:25, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "The show was produced for the BBC in a reality television format and aimed to find a new musical artist." What do you mean by "aimed to find a new musical artist"? How does one define a "new musical artist"?
 * Reworded
 * "The winners of the show, David Sneddon[1][2] and Alex Parks, [3] were both awarded music"
 * Changed
 * "three top 20 hits"-->three top-20 hits
 * Done
 * "a number of the other contestants"-->several other contestants
 * Done
 * "Malachi[7] and Alistair Griffin both released self-penned songs in 2003 but both were subsequently dropped from their record labels." Remove both "both"s :)
 * Done
 * "James Fox was also chosen as the United Kingdom's representative for the the 2004 Eurovision Song Contest, where he performed "Hold Onto Our Love". The song charted at number 13 on the UK Singles Chart in April 2003 and Fox scored 29 points for his Eurovision performance."-->James Fox was chosen as the United Kingdom's representative for the the 2004 Eurovision Song Contest; he sang "Hold Onto Our Love", which charted at number 13 on the UK Singles Chart in April 2003, and received 29 points for his performance.
 * Done
 * "has been by far the most successful"
 * Done
 * "which charted number two"-->which charted at number two (what chart?)
 * Clarified the chart
 * "nine further top 40 hit singles"-->nine more top-40 hit singles
 * Done
 * "including six which charted in the top 10."-->including six that charted in the top 10.
 * Done
 * "He has also released four studio albums, with the most successful, "The Truth About Love", charting at number three on the UK Albums Chart in 2006."-->He has released four studio albums; The Truth About Love is the most successful, charting at number three on the UK Albums Chart in 2006.
 * Done
 * "19 singles reached the top twenty and of those, 12 were top ten hits. "-->Of the 19 singles that reached the top twenty, 12 were top-ten hits.
 * Done
 * "Lemar is the only artist that it is still active on the charts." Use "who", not "that", for people. What do you meen by active?
 * Clarified my expression
 * Image caption: "Lemar, who finished third in the first series of Fame Academy, has had ten top 40 singles."-->Lemar, who finished third in the first series of Fame Academy, has had ten top-40 singles.
 * Done
 * Note B needs an inline citation; I couldn't find a general reference that verified it.
 * Done
 * "He released a single "Higher" in 2008." Couldn't find this in the general ref. Please make sure that anything that isn't backed up by a general ref is backed up via inline citation.
 * Done

Sources Matthewedwards : Chat  09:06, 18 July 2009 (UTC) Dabomb87 (talk) 23:25, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The general references need to be formatted (publisher, accessdate)
 * I'm not quite sure how to format a general reference when it is not an inline citation
 * Same as always, but don't put tags around it. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:08, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The Guardian should be in italics (ref 8)
 * Done''
 * What makes the following sources reliable?
 * http://www.tourdates.co.uk/news/3237-uk-charts-michael-jackson-goes-top-in-scandal-hit-week
 * Changed to a BBC reference
 * And, the backbreaker: http://www.chartstats.com/songinfo.php?id=30551, although I'm willing to back off if there's truly no alternative. Could http://www.theofficialcharts.com/ be used?
 * No, it only lists complete chart entries back until 2005. top40 charts is not reliable and there are no other reliable alternatives.
 * Sure there are. There's Guinness Book of British Hit Singles & Albums, The Virgin Book of British Hit Singles, Music Week, and ChartsPlus. TOC also license a number of daily newspapers to publish the Top 40 on a Monday morning. Doesn't NME do them too? You could also use cite episode for Top of the Pops and the Top 40 radio show on BBC Radio 1.
 * Thanks for your comments. 03  md  20:26, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I might need a little bit of help with sourcing all the songs then. The suggested books can be used as general references but unfortunately I'm not sure of page numbers. 03  md  16:58, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My oppose stands until the sourcing issues are resolved. If you cannot get your hands on the books/magazines soon, I suggest that this list is withdrawn so that can be done without any worry about finishing fast. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:58, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.