Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of off-season Atlantic hurricanes/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 23:45, 17 December 2010.

List of off-season Atlantic hurricanes

 * ''Nominator(s): Hylian Auree (talk), --Hurricanehink, Jason Rees

I am nominating this for featured list because the problems previously stated have been addressed. Hylian Auree (talk) 02:20, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * As author of the list, I am co-nomming. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:39, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * After discussions with Hink ive been alowed to co-nom.Jason Rees (talk) 18:25, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

"Several" means more than one and should be sorted as such. Also, could you fix sorting for the category status? Other than that, no other issues for me. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 10:34, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose – There are a number of issues I see. Some are minor, but a lot of stuff brought up in the first FLC have not been fixed, which leaves me wondering about the claim that "problems previously stated have been addressed". I would suggest reviewing The Rambling Man's comments from the first FLC before continuing. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 03:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * United States Weather Bureau should be National Weather Service as the former is no longer an existent entity. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 03:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, got it. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:39, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * "As of now" should be "As of 2010" or "As of November 2010". "Now" can change, and if an off-season storm forms without the article being updated it'd be inaccurate. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 03:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I changed it to 2024. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:41, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sourcing for the background, for example the statement that "Regardless, off-season storms prior to 1964 are still defined by the current seasonal span and are still considered part of the annual season outside which they develop." On that note, I'd also remove the word "regardless", it seems to be unnecessary. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 03:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed that sentence, since I wasn't really sure how to handle it. I replaced it with a note - does that make sense? --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:39, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there any single source for the entire table, or for the individual entries in it? I assume refs 4 and 5, heavily used in the records and statistics section, is what's being used for this? If so, would it make sense to add a small after the table with "Sources: [4][5]"? Likewise for monthly statistics. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 03:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, all of the names, seasons, dates, and winds are based off the two links. That's why at the top of the table, I have a ref next to winds (not to names, seasons, and dates so it's not cluttered). I could put the ref on the bottom, but I don't want people thinking that the deaths and damage came from there. I did add the ref to the monthly stats. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:39, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * And on that note, if you do take up that suggestion, you could remove [4][5] from the list column headings, too, making it look cleaner. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 03:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Numbers or Unnamed? Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 03:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Numbers for storms within HURDAT, unnamed for TD's that weren't numbered. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:39, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Please solve the issues brought up in the first FLC, including sorting issues with the names, damage, deaths, and WP:ACCESS issues with the coloured backgrounds. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 03:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe the sorting issues were fixed, and I'm not sure what the concern is over WP:ACCESS. The previous comment was:
 * "if I can't discern color, I can't use the key."
 * If you can't discern color, then you don't need the key. The color is just another little thing added to the article. Unless, do you mean that a column should be added for "Category"? --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:10, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If you can't discern color, then you have no way of knowing the category. --Golbez (talk) 22:21, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I got it now. Does that work, what I added? Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's fine by me. As for the sorting, it's not fixed. Try sorting by name. #18 and #19 are appearing before #5 and #6; #13 and #14 before #2; Unnamed before any of the A storms. Sorting by deaths produces a horrible mess where sorting in descending order has 0 on top and sorting in ascending order has "several", followed by 80 on top. Suggest you use sort. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 08:27, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've sorted so that the numbers are first, then unknown, then the names. Hope that works. Anything more that you object to? --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 05:37, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Deaths and damage still don't sort properly. I'm getting $78.9 million listed before $9.46 million, and 25 deaths before 5. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 05:48, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ugh, fucking sorting :P I'm not sure how to fix the damage, since the damage is auto-inflated. Any suggestions? --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 06:02, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The sorting should now be sorted.Jason Rees (talk) 08:24, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, the "several" issue has been fixed, as was the category status. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:02, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * }
 * Now supporting. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 16:41, 27 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - I have no major issues with the article. Afro  ( Nice Beaver ) 23:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment, separate from my resolved concerns above: an explanation should be made for why some pressures are listed as "N/A" (a brief line about when pressures started to be estimated or something would work I suppose). Likewise, some sort of explanation about why some damage totals are listed as N/A even where there were deaths (and by extension damage must've occurred) would be useful. StrPby (talk) 00:48, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I made a note. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:03, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Support after my many comments were all nicely dealt with. Good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:51, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Support: While I the think that the "SSHS category" column would look better centered, this list looks great overall and meets FL criteria. I support its promotion, assuming other reviewers' concerns are addressed. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:20, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Quick comments –
 * Records and statistics: No need for multiple Hurricane Lili links here.
 * "with a total of five existing in the off-season. estorms Several other had three". Extraneous word there.
 * Several of the references (10, 11, 13, 21) lack PDF indications.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 01:50, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, good catch. I got them. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for reviewing, guys! ★ Auree (talk) 00:25, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


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