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List of operettas by John Philip Sousa

 * Nominator(s): Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 23:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

A recently created list of John Philip Sousa's operettas. The formatting and other aspects of this list are similar to List of marches by John Philip Sousa. Meets FL criteria in my view. Looking forward to Chris and the Wonderful Comments – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 23:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Comments by ChrisTheDude

 * "Most of Sousa's operettas showed the influence of Gilbert and Sullivan. Sousa used few characteristics of their style" - they show the influence of G+S but don't use their style? I don't follow this, can you clarify?
 * Well, the prose does not say that Sousa operettas "don't use [G+S] style". I'm not sure what change do I need to make, can you please clarify. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:39, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "Several prominent stage personalities, including DeWolf Hopper, were starred" => "Several prominent stage personalities, including DeWolf Hopper, starred"
 * "Sousa composed Katherine, his first opera, in 1879" - opera or operetta?
 * "portrayed the Spanish administration in Peru which became hugely popular during the Spanish–American War" - the administration became popular? Or the concept of portraying it?
 * The concept of portraying it; clarified (I think) – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:39, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "Mary Andrews Denison agreed to be the librettist for this operetta and composed few songs" - I think this should probably be "Mary Andrews Denison agreed to be the librettist for this operetta and composed a few songs", although "several songs" would probably be better wording
 * "Few of Sousa's later compositions derived their score from the songs of this operetta." - do you actually mean "A few of Sousa's later compositions derived their score from the songs of this operetta."? If so, I again think "several" rather than "a few" would be better
 * "After its premier" - last word is spelt wrongly
 * "It is one of Sousa's most famous operetta." => "It is one of Sousa's most famous operettas."
 * "Although Sousa considered this operetta one of his best work"=> "Although Sousa considered this operetta one of his best works"
 * "In late 1939, "The Goose Girl's Song", a song from this operetta was rearranges" => "In late 1939, "The Goose Girl's Song", a song from this operetta, was rearranged"
 * "Various critics commented on length of the production" => "Various critics commented on the length of the production"
 * That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @: Thanks for the comments, I think I have made all the changes (These are my edits). And I did replace it by "several". The only that confuses me is the first point, can you clarify. Hope you are fine! Thanks again! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:39, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Re point 1, I'm not sure how Sousa's operettas show an influence from G+S if they use few (i.e. not many) characteristics of the G+S style. If they don't use these characteristics, how do they show the influence? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:41, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @: Does this works? The source does say that Sousa's operettas showed an influence from G+S, but done not lists various similarities. (After a few lines, even says "But for the most part the similarity ends there") – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:25, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey Chris, anything else? – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 15:24, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Most of Sousa's operettas showed the influence of Gilbert and Sullivan. Sousa adopted characteristics of their style like short recitatives and chorus finales. Most of the songs in the operettas were Sousa's own composition. According to author Paul E. Bierley, Sousa's operettas displayed a "high standard of morality". - is all of that sourced to the reference after the word "morality"? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:21, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:27, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Cool. In that case happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:42, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Comments from TRM
That's all I have on a quick run, nice list. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:58, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * "the late Romantic era" for us non-experts, it may be worth putting some context to this to save us having to click away from the article to find out when this really was.
 * piped to 'late 19th century'. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 15:22, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Librettists seem important enough to be mentioned, at least in passing as a role to support Sousa, in the lead.
 * Sure; done. Added a line, cited by Bierley p. 14 – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 15:22, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Image caption could use a (pictured in 1925).
 * Done. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 15:22, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * "died while the operetta was in the first act," does this mean "died while the first act of the operetta was still being written"?
 * Rephrased. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 15:22, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Is F.C. piped to Francis Burnand which redirects back to F.C. for a reason?
 * No; fixed. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 15:22, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@: Thanks a lot for your review! It is really nice to see you back! All comments resolved. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 15:22, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Support my primary concerns addressed. And thanks for your kind comment. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:35, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 04:42, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Dank

 * Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
 * You repeat "prominent" in the lead ... nothing wrong with that, exactly, but think about whether a different word would work for you.
 * Replaced second 'prominent' with 'famous'. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 04:42, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Checking the FLC criteria:
 * 1. I've done a little copyediting; feel free to revert or discuss. The table coding seems fine. I checked sorting on all sortable columns and sampled the links in the table.
 * 2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
 * 3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
 * 3b. It is well-sourced to reliable sources, and the UPSD tool isn't indicating any actual problems (but this isn't a source review). All relevant retrieval dates are present.
 * 3c. It meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
 * 4. It is navigable.
 * 5. It meets style requirements. At a glance, the one image looks fine.
 * 6. It is stable.
 * Support. Well done. - Dank (push to talk) 03:43, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 04:42, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Image review - Support
 * Image was taken circa 1925, so just about in public domain. NFCC fulfilled. No issues found. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:13, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:21, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Comments Support from Wretchskull + Source review - pass
The article is definitely short enough to prompt checking all citations. I'll take a look tomorrow. Wretchskull (talk) 22:23, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I very much appreciate it! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 07:16, 8 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Lede
 * In the lede, change "[...] composer and conductor of the Romantic era in the late 19th century" to "[...] composer and conductor of the late Romantic era" - "19th century" is redundant and it isn't exactly true because he also composed in the 20th century.
 * Done. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 19:19, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * "Primarily known for American military marches, he also wrote operettas" --> "Although primarily known for his American military marches, he also wrote operettas" - the sentence flows better with an adverbial subordinate clause, but it's up to you if you want to change it.
 * Done. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 19:19, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * References:
 * No copyvio found.
 * Are the retrieval dates really necessary?
 * Not really, but they are consistent withing the article and I don't wish to remove them, unless you insist. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 19:19, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Spotchecks:
 * Allsen, J. Michael (2000) supports all cited text.
 * Bierley, Paul E (1984): The text at ref 3b is very identical to the source. If you want to copy it word for word, it has to be within quotation marks. If you know that this instance has occurred elsewhere, I recommend you check those locations in case I miss them. Also, perhaps mention that The Victory was also unfinished? Otherwise, the ref supports all cited text.
 * Done. As for The Victory, it was supposed to be 2 act, but was unfinished; corrected. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 19:19, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hess, Carol A. (1998) supports all cited text.
 * Jorgensen, Michael R. (1994) supports all cited text.
 * Keeney, Lisa (2013) supports all cited text. Be the way, I'm surprised this source is only cited once. It is full of excellent information.
 * It is not a work of subject-matter expert, but is a secondary source as it cited Paul Bierley. Pretty much that is the reason why. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 19:19, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Kilpatrick, Barry (2021): The name of the source should be "Sousa: Chris & the Wonderful Lamp selections; Sisterhood of the States; Showing Off Before Company". Otherwise, the ref supports all cited text.
 * Done. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 19:19, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Warfield, Patrick (2011) supports all cited text.

That's all I have for you. Ping me when you're done. Wretchskull (talk) 19:01, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Wretchskull: Done all, or replied above; Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 19:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Excellent work! Support - Wretchskull (talk) 19:24, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Promoting. -- Pres N  16:26, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


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