Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of people from Park Ridge, Illinois/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 10:02, 2 June 2012.

List of people from Park Ridge, Illinois

 * Nominator(s): Dkriegls (talk) 01:12, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because there is a lot of these "List of people from..." pages and I think getting some consensus on what they should look like would be a good move. I chose this list because it's the best example I've seen, with all names cited and relation to town made clear. Relevant consensus besides WP:Lists (stand-alone lists) include WP:USCITY. Note: this nomination could set precedent for similar pages. Dkriegls (talk) 01:12, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Oppose not sure if this is ready for FLC yet, especially if you think it should set a precedent for similar pages. Some quick stand-out comments.
 * You don't even link Park Ridge until the end of the lead which is odd.
 * Done Dkriegls (talk) 23:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * That lead image is curious too, far too big for the resolution it could support and no caption, nothing... what is it?
 * Removed Dkriegls (talk) 23:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * We don't use IMDB as it's not a reliable source.
 * Gone Dkriegls (talk) 23:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * You could use some intro in the lead as to what/where Park Ridge is.
 * Done Dkriegls (talk) 23:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * What makes someone "equally recognizable"?
 * Gone Dkriegls (talk) 23:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Some people in the lead are linked, some aren't. Why?
 * Question - None of the people in the lead are blue linked. Am I missing something?Dkriegls (talk) 06:14, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * A lot of these kinds of lists are tabulated rather than bullet pointed. Any reason this should be different? (
 * Comment - Of the 177 lists at the US Category page, only 12 are fully tabulated. The biggest city being Las Vegas. I think bullets look better for these lists and are easier for new editors to edit. These are gateway list to new editors and ease of access should be encoraged, even if some are vandals. Dkriegls (talk) 06:14, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment how many of those 177 lists are featured lists? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:13, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't recall a need to capitalise Art in Fine arts.
 * Done Dkriegls (talk) 23:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I guess this should be tagged with incomplete list, right?
 * Done Dkriegls (talk) 23:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * "seven MLB teams; born in park ridge[51]" explain what MLB is before using it, and stick to consistent capitalisation of Park Ridge.
 * Done Dkriegls (talk) 23:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Make sure ref titles comply with WP:DASH in the titles.
 * Done I think... Dkriegls (talk) 23:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Ref 10 has "blog entry (please read WP:RS). " eh?
 * Done the author is an expert in architecture, no need for warning Dkriegls (talk) 23:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * "OTHER FAMOUS RESIDENTS" avoid SHOUTING.
 * Done Dkriegls (talk) 23:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * New York Times is actually The New York Times.
 * Done Dkriegls (talk) 23:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

A way to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:00, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the peer-review, I will get right on it. I can't believe I missed an all caps. Dkriegls (talk) 04:52, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm tracking what's done at the talk page. Dkriegls (talk) 00:00, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm done with my effort at addressing the above issues. I guess it's ready for another peer review, including the question and comment I added in-text above. Also, the citation connecting Chuck Russell to the city is a bit ify. It appears to be an independent film review zine. I thought it was better than IMdB, but if we can find something else we should. I gave up looking. Dkriegls (talk) 06:22, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Oppose – Sorry, but the sourcing quality is not good enough to meet FL standards. What makes any of the following reliable sources?
 * http://www.swamppolitics.com/ (ref 14 – looks like a blog to me).
 * Comment, The Swamp is a Chicago Tribune blog, and the piece is written by two expert journalists who are knowledge experts on the topic (where famous people live). Nara Schoenberg (lifestyles reporter) and Patrick T. Reardon (urban affairs reporter). See WP:NEWSBLOG Dkriegls (talk) 22:19, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * http://chicagogaysports.com/ (ref 15)
 * Comment, this is a website of and interview conducted by Windy City Times. A perfectly legitimate news source. There's a second reference from the Chicago Reader, so I am not sure what is in question here. Dkriegls (talk) 22:19, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

That's a lot of questionable sources covering many different entries. Add to that my opinion that the list would be better off tabulated, and that's enough for me to oppose. Giants2008 ( Talk ) 21:13, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.thehorrorzine.com/ (ref 18)
 * http://www.makeitbetter.net/ (ref 20)
 * http://www.askactor.com/ (ref 26)
 * http://www.moviesmademe.com/ (ref 32)
 * http://www.figure-skating.com/ (ref 61)
 * Comment I'm not against tabulation, I am just looking for some justification for going against the norm. Given that of the 177 lists at the Lists of people by city in the United States Category page, only 12 are fully tabulated. If we are going to set a standard here by making this the first Notable people list to receive FL, we should have a reason. Also, I will have those citations cleaned up in a jiffy Dkriegls (talk) 19:34, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've cleaned up the rest of the above references


 * http://www.thehorrorzine.com/ (ref 18) Proposed article for deletion, no better source could be found Dkriegls (talk) 22:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.makeitbetter.net/ (ref 20) Dana Olsen was edited out due to a lack of a better reference Dkriegls (talk) 23:15, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.askactor.com/ (ref 26) Danny Corkill was edited out due to a lack of a better reference Dkriegls (talk) 23:40, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.moviesmademe.com/ (ref 32) Chuck Russel was edited out due to a lack of a better reference Dkriegls (talk) 23:40, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.figure-skating.com/ (ref 61) Found U.S. Figure Skating news cite for replacement Dkriegls (talk) 22:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Drive-by comment two fair-use images removed from the list (including the logo) as their use was purely decorative. BencherliteTalk 06:52, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I turned the list into tables. Please review. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 09:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I've done everything that was suggested except where I made questions/comments. Listed below are those outstanding questions/comments.
 * New Peer Review


 * Some people in the lead are linked, some aren't. Why?
 * Question by Dkriegls - None of the people in the lead are blue linked. Am I missing something?


 * http://www.swamppolitics.com/ (ref 14 – looks like a blog to me).
 * Comment by Dkriegls, The Swamp is a Chicago Tribune blog, and the piece is written by two expert journalists who are knowledge experts on the topic (where famous people live). Nara Schoenberg (lifestyles reporter) and Patrick T. Reardon (urban affairs reporter). See WP:NEWSBLOG Dkriegls (talk) 22:19, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * http://chicagogaysports.com/ (ref 15)
 * Comment by Dkriegls, this is a website of and interview conducted by Windy City Times. A perfectly legitimate news source. There's a second reference from the Chicago Reader, so I am not sure what is in question here. Dkriegls (talk) 22:19, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Please note, WP:FLC is not a peer review mechanism. For that, please take the article in question to WP:PR. I believe this nomination should now be archived, and any subsequent work performed at a peer review, before being renominated. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:15, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that vast quantities of work are needed to get this through FLC, so I'll say weak oppose, but a polish through WP:PR should see it sail through next time. I think TRM's suggestion of archiving and renominating after a peer review is a good one. Let me know when it's at PR and I'll stop by to help. BencherliteTalk 19:53, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Bencherlite's view
 * Thanks for putting it in table form, but columns that no-one will need to sort by (References, and probably Association) should have  added to them; see the example I've done for you at the Media subsection
 * "The city is home to several notable people. Among the most notable is ... The following list includes notable people who were born or have lived in Park Ridge, Illinois." (1) Avoid the word "notable" (2) Avoid phrases such as "this list".
 * Names should sort by surname, not first name, using sortname.
 * Okay with me. I should have started at WP:PR anyways. It's my first time through a Featured effort. But now I know and knowing is half the battle. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 00:58, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


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