Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of presidents of the Indian National Congress/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 19 June 2021 (UTC).

List of presidents of the Indian National Congress

 * Nominator(s): 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS  ☣✅ 15:27, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

This is my fourth or fifth FL nomination. Have worked quite hard and spent hours to improve the list like references, table, lead etc. List has all required thing to be FL. All constructive comments are more than welcome. Thank you. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 15:27, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Procedural note: You currently have an open FLC with no supports yet. Per the instructions, "Nominators should not add a second featured list nomination until the first has gained substantial support and reviewers' concerns have been substantially addressed." I would withdraw this FLC until that nomination is close to being complete. RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:24, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , given the comment above, you may want to consider formally withdrawing this nomination for the time being. Aza24 (talk) 23:58, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: the other nomination was archived, so this one is now fine as far as that goes. -- Pres N  03:23, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * Support.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:29, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Still not seeing table sorting. Has the class been updated to include "sortable"? RunningTiger123 (talk) 23:52, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * take a look now, please.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:08, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I took a look at it and it hadn't changed, but I was able to fix it myself. RunningTiger123 (talk) 04:16, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Support – RunningTiger123 (talk) 04:16, 31 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Support this nom. Can't see any issue. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Further comments
 * "During Jawaharlal Nehru's premiership, he rarely held the Presidency of INC" - this is the first time the initials have been used and while it is pretty obvious what they stand for they should be explained. So put (INC) after the party name at the end of the very first sentence
 * ✅.— TheWikiholic (talk) 08:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * "after she formed Congress (I) in 1978" - there's no explanation of what "Congress (I)" is - is it a separate party? If so, how does it relate to this one?  Or was it a renaming of this one? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Seperate party formed in / during 1978. It was renamed as Indian National Congress by election commission of India. Added a note depicting the same.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 09:01, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Even more comments
 * "Despite being a party with a structure, Congress under Indira Gandhi did not hold any organizational elections after 1972" - so how was Barua elected in 1975.....?
 * .— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:33, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * "did not hold any organizational elections after 1972..... Indira Gandhi, however, institutionalised" - inconsistent use of American English (with the Z) and British English (with the S) - be consistent
 * .— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:33, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * "Congress (I)—the "I" signifying Indira, the national election commission declared Congress (I) to be the real Indian National Congress for the 1984 general election" - this is not grammatically correct and (based on reading the main article) it doesn't seem to tell the whole story. I think it should say "In 1978, Indira Gandhi split from the INC and formed a new opposition party, popularly called Congress (I), which the national election commission to be the real Indian National Congress for the 1984 general election."  This also needs a source -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:17, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * take a look now, please.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:33, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:34, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Source review – Pending
Will do soon. Aza24 (talk) 21:28, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Version reviewed


 * Formatting
 * All caps ref should be avoided (ref 1 & 34)—recommend using title case (you can find an all caps to title case converter online to do this quickly)
 * ✅.— TheWikiholic (talk) 10:45, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * retrieval dates missing from ref 11
 * .— TheWikiholic (talk) 10:45, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I would avoid having "New Delhi" in ref 7 as you don't include locations for any other refs
 * ✅.— TheWikiholic (talk) 10:45, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Ref 8 isn't cited correctly (I have no idea what "Britannica Portal" is), I would recommend using cite encyclopedia or using Encyclopædia Britannica for the publisher and 23 September 2020 for the date
 * .— TheWikiholic (talk) 10:45, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * ref 13 isn't cited correctly either. The All India Congress Committee should be the publisher and the archive link should be under "|archive-url=" with "|url-status=dead" and the original url under "url="
 * .— TheWikiholic (talk) 10:45, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * why no publisher for ref 19?
 * .— TheWikiholic (talk) 11:41, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * be consistent with including the work and publisher or just the work (e.g. The Indian Express. Indian Express Group vs just The Indian Express)
 * take a look now, please.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:45, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Reliability
 * Seems fine


 * Verifiability
 * ref 6 seems to have an incomplete page range
 * .— TheWikiholic (talk) 11:41, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * rfe 12 Somervill has an incomplete page range
 * ✅. Reference 12 replaced with reference 11.— TheWikiholic (talk) 11:41, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * recommend adding oclc (462824439 – from here) in place of absent ISBN for ref 18 Aza24 (talk) 22:02, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅.— TheWikiholic (talk) 11:51, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Seems good now. Pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 22:06, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Comments Support from Aza24

 * These are all non-source related
 * I would recommend linking each president's name every time in the table (the linking rules don't apply to table anyways). Here's my rationale: lets say someone wants to find the president of a specific year, say 1959. It will be awkward for them to have to scroll up five entries to where U. N. Dhebar's name is linked
 * Along these lines, I would recommend this for the Place of conference column, but that seems less pertinent if you disagree
 * Are you sure that it is necessary? I think two reviewers have different opinions and we already spent a lot of time unlinking it.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:59, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No, not necessary at all—hence the double use of "recommendation" in my comments


 * Henry John Stedman Cotton is a disambiguation link at the moment
 * .— TheWikiholic (talk) 10:55, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * recommend using Annotated link in the See also section, so the readers understand why they're linked there
 * .— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:27, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Upon linking it says Wikimedia List of chief ministers from the Indian National Congress and Wikipedia List of presidents of the Bharatiya Janata Party. I am not able to comprehend why exatcly we need to use Annotated link here. Have referred few list, nowhere it's mentioned.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 09:35, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Once again, this is not "required", hence why I said "recommend"


 * Are you sure the numbering are actually used for the holders? I don't see it anywhere on their respective pages. For example, although there could be numbers in the List of presidents pro tempore of the United States Senate, there is not, as the holders are not generally reffered to by their numbering. The same seems true here, suggesting there inclusions is OR.
 * The numbering is not used for holders. Featured List like this has used the same numbering method even though holders are not generally referred to by their numbering.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:59, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I would recommend embedding the sections into the actual table (like at List of compositions by Claude Debussy) so its entirety is sortable. Aza24 (talk) 22:02, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the current version is more suitable and easier to navigate. It’s also differentiate various eras. Anyway,  for his input.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:47, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * For both of these last two points, the numbering just doesn't make sense how it is. Why does it restart for each division—are they really separate enough to warrant this? It all seems arbitrary, is Bhogaraju Pattabhi Sitaramayya really referred to as the 1st president of the post-independence era Indian national conference, why not the 62nd overall and why a number at all? I look at the navigation box Indian National Congress and see that they're presented as single list. I don't know what the solution is here, there are certainly numerous ways to create more uniformity here, but hopefully you both see where my confusion stems from. Aza24 (talk) 22:18, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Considering the template Indian National Congress, back in time I have had made the table as per total number of presidents. However, was advised to put it in yearwise. Considering age of the Congress party; I feel it's essential to put the list in era-wise, readers would eventually understand and be able to differentiate between the presidents in "founding, pre and post"– independance years. How about adding 1st, 2nd and likewise instead of numbers, let us know.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 11:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I was unclear I think. I like the division of found, pre, post etc. — I think its helpful and sensible for the readers. My confusion is this: the numbers seem arbitrary, but I can understand your want to include them. However, reseting the numbers for each "pre" "post" section is even more arbitrary imo. Aza24 (talk) 09:01, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * take a look now, please.— TheWikiholic (talk) 14:32, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that makes more sense. Happy to support. Aza24 (talk) 08:38, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Promoting. -- Pres N  03:58, 18 June 2021 (UTC)


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