Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of presidents of the Russian Federation/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 07:07, 20 August 2008.

List of presidents of the Russian Federation
My first featured list candidate which isn't music related. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 17:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - see Featured list candidates/List of heads of state of Gabon/archive2. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This ain't a stub and its much longer then List of heads of state of Gabon. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 19:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * There are only five items in this list and I think the unofficial minimum number of items in a list is ten. Gary King ( talk ) 19:49, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * There are goin to come more Russian presidents. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 20:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps in a few years, but not for now. Gary King ( talk ) 23:55, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it a guidline which sais a lilst can't be a FL cause its not as long as others. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 09:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 *  Support  on notability grounds. This list will inevitably grow, and it is comprehensive and appropriate to the subject, which *are* FL criteria. Historicpastime (talk) 17:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Question, so, hypothetically speaking, if the new country "Newrovia" came into existence with a duly-elected President every four years, you'd happily promote the list of one as Wikipedia's finest work? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, anarchy and fratricide would make the list grow much quicker. Historicpastime (talk) 18:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So you'd still support it when it had one entry? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * One item would not be widely considered a list. Some would also argue 2 items are pair, and not a list either. Historicpastime (talk) 19:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Two items are a pair, by the definition of pair. So is three a crowd or a list?  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment and you're happy this meets all criteria? Really?  I'm surprised.  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not commenting on other aspects of the article; I don't think a list of heads of state should be dismissed based merely on a subjective number - five, in my opinion, is a good start for a notable list that we can expect to grow. Otherwise how many decades would it take for a list of Russian presidents to even qualify, based on number. Historicpastime (talk) 18:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well thanks for your comment but it's clear you haven't reviewed it against the criteria so I'm afraid your support counts for nothing. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It meets the criteria of comprehensiveness, structure, visual appeal and stability, but should not be dismissed based on number. Historicpastime (talk) 19:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It fails the criteria of engaging lead, prose and manual of style as you would have seen had you reviewed the list properly. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments about the lead: Many parts in the lead are irrelevant for the subject of the list, especially information about Russia and its political system in general. Instead include what is missing from the lead: Information about the President, How presidents are elected, more information about Viktor Chernomyrdin and why his term is not counted, what powers does he have... ✅ Eklipse (talk) 21:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments - excluding most of the community's concern over the length, the following need to be fixed urgently before anyone could really support this list.
 * "This is a list of the Presidents of the Russian Federation." articles don't start "This is an article about..." - lists shouldn't either. ✅ See criteria 1 and 2 - engaging lead and professional prose.
 * Four paras in the lead for such a small list is about three too many.✅ See criterion 5, manual of style.
 * "For Russian leaders prior to this ratification, see Leaders of the Soviet Union." try a see also or a see also section. Don't say "...see ..." in the lead.✅
 * Para 2 is interesting but doesn't relate to the presidents.✅
 * "The fact that Yeltsin was not voted into office does not affect the numbering, which makes him the 1th president." - reword. And I guess you mean 1st i.e. first, not 1th?✅
 * No need to capitalise "Supported" in the table.✅
 * Why are the names in bold and italics?✅
 * Can't you split the info in the left hand column into multiple columns and then make the list more interactive?Would only make more mess
 * "December 31, 1999 - May 7, 2000" no hyphen here please, see WP:DASH.✅
 * Birthplace of Chernomyrdin?✅
 * Non-partisan without support - what does this mean?✅
 * "(Resign)" - you mean (resigned)?✅
 * And what happened to end Yeltsin's first term?
 * Sverdlovsk Oblast, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union are all overlinked.✅
 * Where is the information about the presidents (e.g. birthdate, place etc, terms of office etc) cited?✅
 * Eight external links are really relevant to this list?✅
 * The Rambling Man (talk) 19:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Not a proper table. Do not use a table cell to have more than one piece of information. Separate out into columns of took office, left office, etc. Question need for birthplace. I'm sure I could find more reasons to oppose once the table is put into good order, but that's the most glaring one at present. --Golbez (talk) 23:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Oppose Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "This is a list of Presidents of the Russian Federation" eugh. Please introduce the article in a more enthralling fashion
 * "Yeltsin came to power" Who?
 * "But Yeltsin never recovered" sentences shouldn't start with "But"
 * For a list of five entries, the lead is way too long, both in the number of paragraphs and words
 * That said, an explanation of why Viktor Chernomyrdin was President for one day would have been nice
 * Table is set out strange compared to our other FLs of Presidents and PMs.
 * A list of five does not exemplify the best that Wikipedia has to offer.
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