Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of public universities in North Carolina/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted 17:28, 28 March 2008.

List of public universities in North Carolina
I would like to suspend this FLC to modify its scope. I am going to include all four year accredited schools, not just public. Thanks,  P G Pirate  14:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I have cleaned up this article and brought it hopefully to FL status. I used List of colleges and universities in New Hampshire and List of colleges and universities in Vermont as a template. The only potiential hangup could be the photos included. Not sure if their fairuse is ok.  P G Pirate  19:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

More That's it I think, and I've also stricken my "oppose", as the images are now removed. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 00:39, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅"All 16 universities are accredited by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools, Commission on Colleges" needs citing
 * It is cited in the Reference column, but I will try to find a stand-alone cite as well.
 * ✅"state-supported, residential school" I'd remove the comma
 * ✅"The UNC System houses two medical schools and one teaching hospital, a veterinary school, two law schools, a school of pharmacy, 15 schools of education, ten nursing programs, three schools of engineering, and a school for performing artists." is waaaaaaay longgg. Can it be broken into two sentences?
 * ✅Are the years the colleges were founded referenced by the refs in the rows?
 * Yes
 * ✅Write "NC A&T State" as "North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State"
 * Even though that is not a common title?
 * That's the Wikipedia title, and I think the list should deal in official names, rather than common names.
 * ✅What do the double hyphens (--) signify in some of the "Carnegie Classification" cells signify?✅
 * Nothing, it was how it was on the Carnegie website.
 * I'd remove them then. They do nothing to enhance the article and the usage in some and not the others is abstract
 * ✅What does "Carnegie Classification" mean?
 * Should I write a sentence in the lede about Carnegie Classification?
 * If you can. While the content of the column can probably aid in helping the reader figure out what it means, an explaination would be better. BTW, is it an official term?
 * Is what an official term?
 * "Carnegie Classification" -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 16:32, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, after reading the article, I see that it is. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 16:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅It might be worth including the county as well as city in the location.
 * Before I do it, Should the format go as follows: Greenville - Pitt County?
 * Well I'd do Greenville, Pitt County. There might not be disambiguity in all the county names though. Like there's only one LA County, and LA County will take you there, but there's more than one Orange County, so Orange County, California is needed as opposed to Orange County . -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 01:16, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - ✅I was stopped in my tracks in the intro when I observed that different sentences included in the intro have not yet been woven together completely. The passage that stopped me was "The largest university, North Carolina State University ... houses the state's only veterinary school," immediately followed by "The UNC System houses ... a veterinary school...." --Orlady (talk) 03:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Changed sentence information to include PULSTAR, instead of veterinary school.

Comments (from a purely outside view) That's all I have for now. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose, for several reasons:
 * I find that the list article duplicates the scope of an embedded list in the article University of North Carolina. The other list contains more information than this one (including some items that seem excessive) but is not formatted as effectively. There is no purpose in having two lists with the same scope, and there is definitely no purpose in splitting off a list from the parent article if the split-off list has less detail than was already provided in the parent article. The two lists should be merged, IMO. Considering that their scope is limited to the 16 4-year institutions in the University of North Carolina System, the best place to maintain the list is the article about the UNC system (not this separate "public universities" list). If there is a desire to create a featured-class list of Universities and colleges in North Carolina, the list ought to include all of them (similar to those featured lists for New Hampshire and Vermont).
 * I am bothered by the fact that both lists identify schools solely by their nicknames, rather than official names (for example, "NC Central" in lieu of North Carolina Central University).
 * ✅Information about Carnegie Classification is handled far more deftly in the New Hampshire list. That is, the heading in the New Hampshire table is simple, the terminology in the table body is simplified, elements are linked, and the classification system is documented by a footnote (rather than a paragraph in the intro, where its placement seems awkward).
 * So I should be less specific with the information?
 * ✅The heading for the "enrollment" column ought to include the date, instead of relegating that key information item to a footnote.
 * ✅The second sentence in the introduction, "There are 16 institutions which are administered by the University of North Carolina System" leaves me asking "how many public institutions are there that aren't administered by the UNC System?" The answer, of course, seems to be that this is a list of the state's 16 public four-year universities, all of which are administered by the University of North Carolina System. More direct writing is needed in the lead.
 * The introduction includes several seemingly disconnected factoids about the system and some of the individual schools. As a reader, I find this collection of factoids problematic. Some, but not all, of the factoids are also in the table, and when I read some of the others, I wonder why they are in the intro and not also the table. A quick dissection of the sentences:
 * "The oldest university, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, first admitted students in 1795." (Note that the table uses a different name for this school.) It probably is useful for the intro to identify the oldest and the newest components of the UNC System, but it may be more confusing than helpful to say that UNC-Chapel Hill first admitted students in 1795 when the table says it was founded in 1789.
 * The school was chartered in 1789, but didn't "accept students" until 1795.
 * ✅"The smallest and newest school, North Carolina School of the Arts, with 845 students, is the first state-supported residential school for the arts in the nation, opened its doors in 1963." Interesting, but is it necessary to mention the enrollment when this is also in the table? Is there a citation for the fact about "first state-supported residential school for the arts in the nation"? Also, should the article indicate that some of this school's students are high school students?
 * "The largest university, North Carolina State University, with 31,130 students, houses the PULSTAR nuclear reactor." I doubt that many of those 31,130 students would consider a nuclear reactor to be the most significant fact about their school. If I were choosing a brief description of the salient features of this school, I would probably start by saying that it is the state's land-grant university. If more detail is desired, it would be useful to mention "historical strengths in agriculture, design, engineering, and textiles". (This info comes from the lead section of North Carolina State University.)
 * The PULSTAR is something that makes NCSU unique to the state. Plus, NC A&T is a land-grant school as well.
 * ✅"The UNC System houses two medical schools and one teaching hospital, ten nursing programs and a school of pharmacy. Also, the public universities has a veterinary school, two law schools, 15 schools of education, three schools of engineering, and a school for performing artists." This is information that I would expect to find before the details about individual schools, not after...
 * Before seeing the list in University of North Carolina, I was thinking that this list should provide some additional detail about the individual schools, notably including identification of HBCUs (that's an item included in that other table). Considering including key details such as being an HBCU or a land-grant university...
 * To summarize, my bottom-line recommendation is that the embedded list at University of North Carolina should be improved and this list should be expanded to become a list of all of the state's colleges and universities. --Orlady (talk) 18:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Why is North Carolina wiklinked twice in three sentences?
 * Link "bachelor degrees".
 * "...the public universities has a ..." - English?
 * "by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools, Commission on Colleges." - not sure I get this, is the phrase after the comma part of the title of the stuff before the comma?
 * "Enrollment As of Fall 2006" - why over capitalise...?
 * Same with "Carnegie Classification".
 * Centrally align references.
 * Left align classification and location columns.
 * Why are there refs in classification column when you have a specific ref column?
 * Concur with Orlady. I'd suggest renaming to "List of universities and colleges of North Carolina" and expanding along those lines. Then you'd really have something interesting, and it wouldn't overlap as much with the University of North Carolina article. You're a proficient writer, and I think you could easily expand it without too much additional effort. Good work on what you've got so far, though. JKBrooks85 (talk) 09:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
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